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  Blood Transfusions are Biblically Supported

  by allpoweredup in

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  to jehovah's witnesses elders: blood transfusions are biblically supported: acts 15:20 says abstain from blood but 1 samuel 14:32-5 says saul's army ate unbled meat to not starve and no verses show god not forgiving them.

  christ says god also forgave david's eating temple holy bread to survive and that god wants mercy not sacrifice.

  (mt 12) the may 22, 1994 awake tells of 26 jehovah's witness kids who died without transfusions, and by common sense in massive bleeding as in car wrecks blood expanders won't save lives http://www.ajwrb.org.

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  Fisherman

  Fukitol, your above post is repeating cofty's conclusions.
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  Blood Transfusions are Biblically Supported

  by allpoweredup in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  to jehovah's witnesses elders: blood transfusions are biblically supported: acts 15:20 says abstain from blood but 1 samuel 14:32-5 says saul's army ate unbled meat to not starve and no verses show god not forgiving them.

  christ says god also forgave david's eating temple holy bread to survive and that god wants mercy not sacrifice.

  (mt 12) the may 22, 1994 awake tells of 26 jehovah's witness kids who died without transfusions, and by common sense in massive bleeding as in car wrecks blood expanders won't save lives http://www.ajwrb.org.

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  Fisherman

  Cofty, it is your article. I am not convinced. Whether or not I answer your questions does not validate your conclusions. You have to show that that storing and using blood was allowed under the law.

  Blood transfusions do not involve slaughtering animals or eating dead animals. They involve consuming human blood. If you can show that being allowed anywhere in the Bible, you have a point.
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  Blood Transfusions are Biblically Supported

  by allpoweredup in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  to jehovah's witnesses elders: blood transfusions are biblically supported: acts 15:20 says abstain from blood but 1 samuel 14:32-5 says saul's army ate unbled meat to not starve and no verses show god not forgiving them.

  christ says god also forgave david's eating temple holy bread to survive and that god wants mercy not sacrifice.

  (mt 12) the may 22, 1994 awake tells of 26 jehovah's witness kids who died without transfusions, and by common sense in massive bleeding as in car wrecks blood expanders won't save lives http://www.ajwrb.org.

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  Fisherman

  It cannot be poured out if the animal is found "already dead". In that case it could be eaten - Lev.17:15

  And therefore you conclude that the Bible allows the storage and use of blood taken from living animals and humans? But you haven't shown that.

  And all your linked article shows is that if an Israelite ate an animal found dead, he became unclean and was required to bathe ceremonially instead of facing the death penalty. Everything else you posted in your linked article are your conclusions as to why that was the case. And you can believe them if you like.
  
  
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  Blood Transfusions are Biblically Supported

  by allpoweredup in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  to jehovah's witnesses elders: blood transfusions are biblically supported: acts 15:20 says abstain from blood but 1 samuel 14:32-5 says saul's army ate unbled meat to not starve and no verses show god not forgiving them.

  christ says god also forgave david's eating temple holy bread to survive and that god wants mercy not sacrifice.

  (mt 12) the may 22, 1994 awake tells of 26 jehovah's witness kids who died without transfusions, and by common sense in massive bleeding as in car wrecks blood expanders won't save lives http://www.ajwrb.org.

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  Fisherman

  Blood was only sacred insofar as it represented a life that had been taken.

  That is a conclusion.

  Your other remarks are also your conclusions. You can believe them if you like.

  Under the law, blood could not be used or stored. It had to poured out.
  
  
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  Blood Transfusions are Biblically Supported

  by allpoweredup in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  to jehovah's witnesses elders: blood transfusions are biblically supported: acts 15:20 says abstain from blood but 1 samuel 14:32-5 says saul's army ate unbled meat to not starve and no verses show god not forgiving them.

  christ says god also forgave david's eating temple holy bread to survive and that god wants mercy not sacrifice.

  (mt 12) the may 22, 1994 awake tells of 26 jehovah's witness kids who died without transfusions, and by common sense in massive bleeding as in car wrecks blood expanders won't save lives http://www.ajwrb.org.

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  Fisherman

  Given the Bible as God's Word, how can Acts 15:28,29 be invalidated when it burdens Christians to keep abstaining from blood? If a Christian puts a pint of blood into his body, how is such person abstaining?

  In a question from readers article, the wt says this about using autologous blood:

  "Rather than deciding solely on the basis of personal preference or some medical recommendation, each Christian ought to consider seriously what the Bible says. It is a matter between him and Jehovah." WT 2000 Oct 15. Copyrighted WBTS
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  JWs MUST Accept The Watchtower Teachings EVEN When They Are Wrong!

  by minimus in

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  isn't it unbelievable that a jehovah's witness must accept whatever the organization says or they can be disfellowshipped??

  unless they tell you that their understanding has changed, you cannot believe anything unless they say it's ok. .

  many years ago i questioned them about their ridiculous view that whenever the word "heart" was mentioned, it was a literal blood filled organ.

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  Who has the authority to determine whether or not any WT teaching is wrong?
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  Chapter 23 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave

  by new boy in

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  chapter 23.

  in 1970 i saw a move that changed my life forever.

  which looking back, would have been a total blessing from god.

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  Sounds like a lot of misfits end up in Bethel

  Actually, a lot of applications are rejected and most of the guys that are accepted are good people with a pure motive like Sparky, Morpheus, Cappy, NewBoy, CoCo and others here. But one has to deal with a lot of people with different personalities and mostly celibate young men with high tetesterone levels and some people get on your nerves after a while. That is one aspect. Then there is the work. That's another's aspect And then there is the indomitable Bethel system. Hence, people are human beings and they have a sense of fairness. And in a competitive environment there are shortcuts but there are no shortcuts in Bethel; only seniority and hard work, unless you happen to have a higher education, then you get a management position or they use your skills versus taking arms against a sea of Smythes and by opposing end them.

  I never saw corruption or insidiousness or an immoral environment.

  It was hard for housekeeper sisters too but I sincerely respect the bros that worked there. But also just as Sparky says, some of these guys were misfits and maybe that's how they managed to stay long, and got positions of power -and some people were just obnoxious; any sane person would put in their 30days. But it's the same in any environment, work, etc. except that in the WT environment you can't prevail if you get on the negative side of someone holding a powerful position. -And when they hold you back, it affects your life and happiness in the org. and it is human to get angry.
  
  
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  Chapter 23 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave

  by new boy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  chapter 23.

  in 1970 i saw a move that changed my life forever.

  which looking back, would have been a total blessing from god.

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  Fisherman

  What I remember about Heller's book is that the only way to get out the army was if you were crazy and to be crazy you had to believe and to say that you were sane -that was the catch 22 because if you said you were not crazy, the army was willing to believe you. If you said you were crazy you were bluffing because crazy people don't admit it.
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  Chapter 22 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave

  by new boy in

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  2. friends

  chapter 22. the machines conquer all.

  after doweling’s committee meeting many of us got job changes out of the laundry.

  i guess they wanted to bust the trouble makers up.

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  Fisherman

  Another thing about the bindery is that it was about production, producing books and you were taught to get into a production mode. That production mode stays with you for life; and you find yourself getting into that mode when you are working or doing different things.
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  Chapter 22 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave

  by new boy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  chapter 22. the machines conquer all.

  after doweling’s committee meeting many of us got job changes out of the laundry.

  i guess they wanted to bust the trouble makers up.

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  Fisherman

  know you could be a Jew and JW at the same time!

  You shouldn't practice Judaism if you are a JW but chinese, black, Mexican, Jew, arabic are descriptions that can be used used to identify ethnicity. So, asking this brother what was his ethnicity, he did not tell me that he was black or Irish or Spanish. He said that he was Jewish but it was axiomatic that he was of JW religion.