Posts by Fisherman

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CA question....

by DATA-DOG in

so mrs. dd is going to the ca, and it's refreshing to realize that i had no idea that it was coming up!

😎 what a great mental and emotional milestone!!

yay, me!!!.

1975... the year that keeps on giving.

by silentbuddha in

so i recently moved back to my really really really small hometown in the south.

it was the place that my parents moved to from a major city up north in the early 1970's.

when we lived here times were very tough financially and i was always told that the reason we did not attend meetings was due to the fact that we had no car / no gas for the car / could not afford repairs for the years we were there.

Fisherman

Given 1975 and that the date of Eve's creation is a variable: Adam was still a bachelor at age 42 -and counting.

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Panpsychism - a philosophy with a future

by slimboyfat in

at one time scientists believed that living things and non-living things were made of different material, accounting for the unique properties of living things.

this idea is called vitalism and is no longer popular.

what does remain popular (in fact is still the dominant view) is a similar idea that things that experience the world (humans, frogs, mice) are different from things that don't experience the world (potatoes, rocks, snowflakes).

Fisherman

Panpsychism is the idea that experience is a property of all matter, and that human consciousness is different in degree rather than kind from the rest of the universe.

Enjoyed reading your interesting post, SBF!

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The end of this system is so very near.....NOT

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

world headquarters of jehovah's witnesses - warwick, new york.

“yes, the end of this system is so very near!

is that no reason to increase our activity?… reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service.

Fisherman

While the Faithful and Discreet Slave keep promising that the end is near,

JW would not be impressed if angel materialized, or with any other imperical evidence. That would not add one iota to the faith they already have. What JW want and are anxiously waiting for is vindication and relief. FDS can't make that happen.

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why won't legal department simply release all the secret pedophile files?

by poopie in

jw
friends

what do you think there hiding?.

Fisherman

I agree there are ethical issues and i dont want any church reporting on confidential minutia, sexual dalliances or even income tax fraud....

You are confused. It ain't about ethics. It is about crimes.

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why won't legal department simply release all the secret pedophile files?

by poopie in

jw
friends

what do you think there hiding?.

Fisherman

Thank you for your very interesting posts, OrphanCrow!

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why won't legal department simply release all the secret pedophile files?

by poopie in

jw
friends

what do you think there hiding?.

Fisherman

crimes against children are indeed very different than other offense you listed.

All crimes are not treated the same and the law absolutely makes distinctions between children and adults.

Anyone with a little common sense can figure out that someone that gets a ticket for disorderly conduct faces different legal consequences than someone who commits armed robbery. They are both crimes though and criminal procedure is exactly the same. Child abuse is also a crime and treated just the same as any other crime. There is no special category for child abuse, it is in the same Penal Code with all the other crimes and classified as a Felony with all the other Felonies of the same rank. There is no difference.

Therefore, If a litigant can Supeona private church communications about child abuse to help his civil case, there is nothing special about that crime to somebody else that also wants church privacy files disclosed to help his case about non-child abuse, such as a prosecutor, a victim of a crime, the Federal government going after someone for tax fraud, etc. Sure children should have special protection, but victims of other crimes are entitled to nothing less in getting the same justice and so should other litigants in other civil cases getting the same money and society should also be protected from criminal conduct, not only child abuse but from other crimes too. So, not saying that children should not have special protection, they should, but also others should be entitled to the same justice. --They should be treated the same.

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why won't legal department simply release all the secret pedophile files?

by poopie in

jw
friends

what do you think there hiding?.

Fisherman

All crimes are not treated the same and the law absolutely makes distinctions between children and adults.

No kidding?!!!
Hmmm. Isn't that what the Penal Code is about?

In the Penal Code below, drug possession and child predation carry the same penalty.

A-II Felony

Offense	Code
Criminal possession of a controlled substance in the second degree	220.18
Criminal sale of a controlled substance in the second degree	220.41
Criminal use of a chemical weapon or biological weapon in the second degree	490.50
Predatory sexual assault	130.95
Predatory sexual assault against a child

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why won't legal department simply release all the secret pedophile files?

by poopie in

jw
friends

what do you think there hiding?.

Fisherman

All you care about is yourself, Finkelstein. You'd hand over any child on a platter to a pedophile personally, just as long as you could get back at Watchtower somehow. That is all you want here.

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why won't legal department simply release all the secret pedophile files?

by poopie in

jw
friends

what do you think there hiding?.

Fisherman

crimes against children are indeed very different than other offense you listed.

We know all about that, no kidding. No need to explain what is axiomatic. But the Courts treat all crimes just the same: Felony, Misdemeanor, Violation. Could be Child abuse or Drug trafficking or another offense. Punishment is the same too: Jail. My point that you fail to see is that if church privacy on child abuse communications is defeated, then logically, all confidentiality falls apart. Also, as despicable as child sexual abuse is, other crimes are just as despicable too, to the victim, and should get no special treatment, less that how child abuse is treated by the church and by the Courts. You may feel that murder, drug trafficking, robbery, Fraud, etc.,should be held confidential by the church but victims of those crimes disagree and want the same justice applied to them too.

Why should a lawyer be able to keep child abuse communications with his client private and defend a guilty client only to have him set a child abuser free upon society, on the other hand, a child abuser cannot go to a minister for spiritual help without having to report him to the authorities. In both instances, a guilty child abuser goes free.

Understood that children need to be protected specially, you are not enlightening me, but as I have posted many times, as it relates to the church, that requires new Federal legislation unified across state lines, same as abortion is legal all over the US, no conflict of laws; if someone even looks like an abuser, the church must report him. And that's that. No more legal excuses. Now, not as it relates to the church, but child sexual abuse as a problem in society, is here to stay and will only get worse. Nothing can be done about incest and nothing can be done about incompetent or very trusting parents handing over their precious kids to wolves. And nothing legally can be done to get pedophiles to stop having sexual feeling towards children until they catch one. Parents need to protect their kids and if a child is born to sick or abusive parents he is out of luck.

Also, is legislation protecting kids when a 14yo or younger can marry someone who is thirty or 69? Where is the outrage?