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  Jesus is Michael the Archangel

  by Fisherman in

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  only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

  “now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

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  —See Insight on Scriptures under Michael under the subheading archangel’s voice for an explanation on wt interpretation of 1The and commentary.
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  Jesus is Michael the Archangel

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

  “now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

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  “God will GIVE him”, All authority has been GIVEN to me “God EXALTED him to a higher position”, A revelation… that God GAVE him,” etc…. —to say the least.
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  Jesus is Michael the Archangel

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

  “now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

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  —On the other hand, disguised as a snake, his identity is unmistakably exposed and revealed in Revelation whereas Jesus’s is only implied and other hints about Jesus leaves it up to the reader and student to conclude for himself but not with certainty. —So much for core beliefs about the interpretation of prophecy and mostly everything in the Bible.
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  Jesus is Michael the Archangel

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

  “now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

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  with an archangel's voice"

  Poetic language of the Bible. Implying and hinting and not directly revealing identity. Such as the language of prophecy.
  
  
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  WT resumes public ministries*

  by Smiles in

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  from jw org news alert:.

  breaking news | resuming public witnessing.

  on may 31, 2022, the governing body informed all branch committees that they may now resume all forms of public witnessing with the exception of the door-to-door ministry.

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  Fisherman

  The very idea is laughable.

  They got the message and read the handwriting on the wall when the end came.

  Imagine the look on their faces when they finally realized that God had abandoned them and welched on his covenant to protect them on Passover, the anniversary of their freedom. After all, they were in Jerusalem because God required it under the law covenant which the Apostles had been preaching that God had abolished. That’s the proof right there.
  
  
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  Simple Question Re 1914

  by Slidin Fast in

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  wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

  and the end times.

  a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

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  Complete nonsense.

  It is not
  

  Ad hominem fallacy. Even if it is assumed to be true, the events of chapter 19 would be after the ‘tribulation’, and there is no justification for conflating the horses in chapters 6 and 19.

  Wrong
  

  Anyway, believe what you like and have fun doing it.
  
  
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  Simple Question Re 1914

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

  and the end times.

  a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

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  Fisherman

  Nope. I see no reason to play along with a ‘begging the question’ fallacy.

  Your logic is based on the premise that the Bible is false but the premise in this discussion is that the Bible is true so your conclusions are based on a false premise relating to this discussion. You need to take a logic course.
  
  
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  Simple Question Re 1914

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

  and the end times.

  a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

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  Fisherman

  The rider of the horse in Revelation chapter 6 isn’t named,

  Rev19:11,14:14,Psalms:45:44 describes the rider. —The literary device and poetic language of the Bible is for believers. I see you reject the Bible so this discussion is not for you since you cannot even think in terms of assuming the Bible is true.
  
  
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  Simple Question Re 1914

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

  and the end times.

  a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

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  Fisherman

  writing after the destruction of Jerusalem but framing it as before to give the appearance of ‘prophecy’,

  This discussion assumes the authenticity of the Bible. Whether or not that is true is a different subject matter.
  
  
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  Simple Question Re 1914

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

  and the end times.

  a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

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  Fisherman

  the ‘parousia’ was explicitly described as occurring after the tribulation had ended, and within a generation of Jesus’ time.

  Not at all. There was no parousia involving the whole earth in 70 and a Millennium that followed. Also, Jesus returns invisible riding a war horse before the great tribulation.

  An incorrect parsing of the analogy, but ultimately unimportant

  You are no trier of law here only an advocate like me. Onus is on you to debunk or show how irrelevant. I’ve shown it is relevant.