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The Genesis 3:15 woman.

by Fisherman in

genesis 3:15 says that the woman’s seed would be in enmity with the serpent’s seed.

although the bible reveals that the woman’s seed is jesus and christians that go to heaven with christ, it does not identify the woman directly.

we at jw believe that the woman is symbolic.

When solving an equation with given factors and values, the solution may be challenged or the equation or method used but the given values cannot be logically challenged. I don’t think you understand that the discussion is not about the validity of the Bible or whether or not Christianity harmonizes with the Hebrew Scriptures. They may or may not be valid arguments to attempt to debunk the Bible or Christianity but such arguments under this and other topics that assumes the Bible as true is a red herring. The aim here is to use the information in the Bible to find an answer. Whether the information is true or whether the answer is true is not the jurisdiction of this analysis. Capisci?

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The Genesis 3:15 woman.

by Fisherman in

genesis 3:15 says that the woman’s seed would be in enmity with the serpent’s seed.

although the bible reveals that the woman’s seed is jesus and christians that go to heaven with christ, it does not identify the woman directly.

we at jw believe that the woman is symbolic.

Fisherman

The original story gives no indication that Satan was in any way involved whatsoever, either being the serpent

The Christian Scriptures does.

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The Genesis 3:15 woman.

by Fisherman in

genesis 3:15 says that the woman’s seed would be in enmity with the serpent’s seed.

although the bible reveals that the woman’s seed is jesus and christians that go to heaven with christ, it does not identify the woman directly.

we at jw believe that the woman is symbolic.

Fisherman

The woman mentioned in Genesis 3:15 is Eve.

It is not: In the Bible, a descendent is the seed or offspring of a male. Although a woman gives birth or produces a child it is not her seed or offspring. Also, it was Mary and not Eve that gave birth to Jesus but neither women is the Genesis woman because the term seed referring to a woman’s offspring is not possible according to the Bible rule.

Neither sinful Adam or Eve was the source of Jesus. Jesus descended from heaven and existed before.

We @ JW believe that out of the angelic host came an angel (JC in prehuman existence) and God transformed his life to make Mary pregnant with it and produce JC the human son of God. Therefore, it was God who provided the promised seed but it was the the heavenly woman, all of the angels up there, that produced the seed. So, neither Eve nor Mary produced the seed and could never be the Genesis 3:15 woman. Jesus had no human father and interestingly his natural lineage is traced from Mary to Adam not Eve. And although Jesus is related to humanity through a female, Mary, his lineage is through males dating back to Adam not Eve.

“26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.27For it is written: “Be glad, you barren woman who does not give birth; break into joyful shouting, you woman who does not have birth pains; for the children of the desolate woman are more numerous than those of her who has the husband.” This Scripture is referring to the Gen 3:15 woman.

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“This generation will by no means pass away.”

by Fisherman in

for argument sake let’s assume that this verse should apply to 1914. what are your thoughts on generation?.

Fisherman

For argument sake let’s assume that this verse should apply to 1914. What are your thoughts on generation?

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The Genesis 3:15 woman.

by Fisherman in

genesis 3:15 says that the woman’s seed would be in enmity with the serpent’s seed.

although the bible reveals that the woman’s seed is jesus and christians that go to heaven with christ, it does not identify the woman directly.

we at jw believe that the woman is symbolic.

Fisherman

fisherman, yes she did,

Again, Eve did not produce the second Adam, the perfect son of God, JC. The rest of your commentary is irrelevant because it deflects from this subject matter.

Also, a sinful imperfect woman cannot produce a perfect seed let alone any woman producing seed. It is the man that provides the seed.

In Gal 4 Paul explains the symbolic woman of Gen 3:15. The woman is barren, God’s symbolic wife, the angelic host from where Jesus came.

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The Genesis 3:15 woman.

by Fisherman in

genesis 3:15 says that the woman’s seed would be in enmity with the serpent’s seed.

although the bible reveals that the woman’s seed is jesus and christians that go to heaven with christ, it does not identify the woman directly.

we at jw believe that the woman is symbolic.

Fisherman

Can you provide scriptures to show that (some/all) Christians are going to heaven.

Luke 22:29, John 14:3

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The Genesis 3:15 woman.

by Fisherman in

genesis 3:15 says that the woman’s seed would be in enmity with the serpent’s seed.

although the bible reveals that the woman’s seed is jesus and christians that go to heaven with christ, it does not identify the woman directly.

we at jw believe that the woman is symbolic.

Fisherman

Because Eve did not produce the seed, the Messiah, that would crush the serpent’s head.

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WHEN is the Kingdom of God coming?

by Fisherman in

when is the kingdom of god coming?.

on being asked by the pharisees when the kingdom of god was coming, he answered them: “the kingdom of god is not coming with paratherisis; 21 nor will people say, ‘see here!’ or, ‘there!’ for look!

the kingdom of god is in your midst.” —lu 17:20,21. .

Fisherman

It wouldn’t be fair if all of a sudden at anytime in human history without any hint or signs, Jesus shows up to judge and execute everybody. It makes more logical sense that during his parousia there is first a gathering of people for salvation and giving everyone on earth ample time to see him in their midst and with their mind’s eye and accept his kingship.

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WHEN is the Kingdom of God coming?

by Fisherman in

when is the kingdom of god coming?.

on being asked by the pharisees when the kingdom of god was coming, he answered them: “the kingdom of god is not coming with paratherisis; 21 nor will people say, ‘see here!’ or, ‘there!’ for look!

the kingdom of god is in your midst.” —lu 17:20,21. .

Fisherman

It also depends on how one is defining the return of Jesus. During Jesus first coming, he was only performing miracles and proving he was the Messiah to a few people. To the rest of the entire earth, they didn’t even know about him. And yet there he was resurrecting the dead in a prototype kingdom of God n the midst of all his enemies and nonbelievers. And to the entire earth he was nonexistent until the preaching work published the news of his work and God’s “plan” of salvation by means of the ransom. The point us thst he was present and alongside his Apostles and God accomplished his purpose wirh the rest of the world unawares. He was in their midst.

As we @ JW see it, Jesus second time around began not with his human birth but with the birth of the Messianic kingdom in the heavens and the ousting of Satan. This is his second coming ( parousia or return) or rather, the beginning of his second coming because he takes action: first in heaven and finally when he is revealed to his enemies until the end of the 1000 year reign. In the meantime, since 1914 he has been alongside those in his congregation and the preaching work.

And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things…
49That is how it will be in the conclusion of the system of things. The angels will go out and separate the wicked from among the righteous

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Fisherman

“Yeah, ignore etc..”

Disagree.