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  A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.

  by Fisherman in

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  obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.

  and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.

  in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.

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  this generation" refers consistently to Christ's own evil generation.

  In Mathew 17:17, what generation is Jesus referring to? His Apostles? So it seems. At the Olivette so it seems that Jesus iss referring to his contemporaries evil generation but closer reading reveals that since no sign would given to that evil generation, this generation at the olivette refers to his disciples who were given the sign: “ What will be the sign of your parousia. Jesus proceeds to give the sign not the the evil generation which no sign would be given to except the sign of Jonah, but the sign would be given to his disciples, the generation that would not pass away until all these things occur. Similarly if you apply to 1914 the sign and the generation it refers to the anointed and not to people in general.
  
  
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  A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.

  and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.

  in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.

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  So, what the title of the thread means is... thousands now living will never die?

  No. Thousands of anointed must die to go to heaven but millions or more of the great crowd will never die!
  
  
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  A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.

  and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.

  in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.

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  My point is that everybody that was at least born in the year 1914 ( except for a couple of cats ) kicked the bucket aka passed away. But Jesus said that a generation linked with his tribulation prophecy which he refers to as “this generation” ( but does not identify it ) would not pass away “until all these things occur” —which includes the great tribulation.

  I am looking at this prophecy not from personal views expressed by some here but as WT interprets its fulfillment relative to 1914. Given WT interpretation of 1914 is correct ( and it is! ) the only possible definition of generation that will not pass away is the overlap. There is no other possible definition so the great tribulation must hit shortly before the second group of anointed die off.
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  Reasons for doubting.

  by New day in

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  somebody mentioned in a recent topic that they had a conversation with a former elder whose breaking point was when the overlapping generation was highlighted in recent times and how he would never serve again until somebody gave him a scriptural reason to believe it.

  i am in a similar position.

  i have gone in the last 18 months from taking the wt study, leading fs groups, and doing talks on the mtngs to doing almost nothing, as i resigned a little over a year ago as an elder due to a combination of family responsibilities and huge doubts.

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  scriptural reason to believe it

  It is the only definition left that can fulfill the prophecy ( given wt scriptural interpretation of the year 1914 is correct to begin with. )
  
  
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  Free Will - Does It or Does It Not Exist?

  by truth_b_known in

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  being born-in and raised as one of jehovah's witnesses i remember a common theme or phrases used by the watchtower in its theory of why things are the way they are -.

  jehovah created humans.

  jehovah created humans as free moral agents.

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  Since the future exists according to prophecy and the future is about conduct people have not yet decided upon, it could be argued that free will doesn’t exist and a person has no choice because it is already written in the future but that is like saying that God created Satan knowing what he would do and then blame God for knowingly creating evil. So it seems but by nature of the qualities that describes YHWH, he is just and good and if a person did not truly have a choice to begin with and was predestined to do evil then the God of the Bible could not exist.
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  A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.

  and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.

  in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.

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  The great tribulation will “shortly” hit any day now just as wt has been saying all along and since it will happen before the new generation of “anointed” passes away, this would prove that the latest generation definition of inter-lapping anointed is right on the money. No other definition of generation is possible to fulfill the prophecy: “This generation will by no means pass away..” —Which according to wt is based on passing away with relation to the year 1914.
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  Free Will - Does It or Does It Not Exist?

  by truth_b_known in

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  being born-in and raised as one of jehovah's witnesses i remember a common theme or phrases used by the watchtower in its theory of why things are the way they are -.

  jehovah created humans.

  jehovah created humans as free moral agents.

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  You also have to define what do you mean by free will because a cat does whatever it wants but does that mean it has free will? Actually animals act on instinct but humans can choose whether or not they will obey laws or moral standards.
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  Free Will - Does It or Does It Not Exist?

  by truth_b_known in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  being born-in and raised as one of jehovah's witnesses i remember a common theme or phrases used by the watchtower in its theory of why things are the way they are -.

  jehovah created humans.

  jehovah created humans as free moral agents.

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  Sinful humans and sin is proof that free will exists even among the angels and Jesus.
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  RIP Olivia Newton-John

  by Slidin Fast in

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  sad to hear of her passing.

  it's sad and weird when the images live on but the source succumbs to the human condition.. i'm sure canabis and plant based products helped her through the pain but i hope she didn't rely on them for a cure..

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  I certainly think that there can be.

  I agree! With medical treatment I have seen remarkable results and medical science offers much hope in the near future. I don’t believe that quackery or herbal or natural “cures” have any value whatsoever in treating cancer. It is a false hope. I don’t blame people for trying but not instead of scientific treatments. But never new age magic cures. For pain killers in advance stages of cancer, everything is on the table except magic including addictive substances and addiction would be my last concern.
  
  
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  RIP Olivia Newton-John

  by Slidin Fast in

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  sad to hear of her passing.

  it's sad and weird when the images live on but the source succumbs to the human condition.. i'm sure canabis and plant based products helped her through the pain but i hope she didn't rely on them for a cure..

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  Funny how all of a sudden cannabis is legal. Must be because people running for public office have used it in the past and admitting to use may disgrace or disqualify and lying about not using it may get them in trouble later on.