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  Judgment Day

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  a specific “day,” or period, when particular groups, nations, or mankind in general are called to account by god.

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  “i solemnly charge you before god and christ jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead,”- 2 tim 4:1. seems like sins are not paid by dying or the ransom if there is a judgment in-spite of it.

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  The Watchtower has decided Adams eternal fate.

  It hasn’t. There is a difference between adjudication and interpretation.
  
  
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  New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.

  by waton in

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  for what it is worth to those interested.

  1914.. tel-aviv university.

  "biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.

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  What results does the magnetic dating method yield using 607 instead of 586? How does it falsify 607?
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  New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.

  by waton in

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  for what it is worth to those interested.

  1914.. tel-aviv university.

  "biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.

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  According to wt, on 607 B.C.E., on Tammuz (June-July) 9 in the 11th year of Zedekiah’s reign (Nebuchadnezzar’s 19th year if counting from his accession year or his 18th regnal year), the king of Babylon penetrated the walls of Jerusalem.—This is much earlier than 586. (The wt publishes support of their interpretation in the wt online library.) Other views are welcome but I was only bringing out the 70 year prophetic aspect involving the land, spoken by Jeremiah in the quoted scripture as I explained in my post.
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  Judgment Day

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a specific “day,” or period, when particular groups, nations, or mankind in general are called to account by god.

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  “i solemnly charge you before god and christ jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead,”- 2 tim 4:1. seems like sins are not paid by dying or the ransom if there is a judgment in-spite of it.

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  According to JWs, will Adam be resurrected to judgment, resurrected to glory ... or will he not be resurrected at all?

  JW believe that after the 1000 years when humanity reaches perfection, each person will be tested like Adam was. Any perfect human that sins dies forever. JW believe that Adam was judged at Eden and sentenced to eternal death with no hope of a resurrection at this time because although the ransom applies to his sons, it doesn’t apply to Adam and Eve so salvation is not possible. But we also believe that the only ultimately judgment depends on God.
  

  How about people who died in the flood and those God destroyed in Sodom and Gomorrah?

  Who knows? Some Jw believe yes and others no but WT has published both yes and no about this.
  
  
  
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  New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.

  by waton in

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  for what it is worth to those interested.

  1914.. tel-aviv university.

  "biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.

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  what "paying back it's Sabbaths" means

  According to Jewish law, every 7 years the land should not be cultivated. Israelites were required to let the land rest. The Israelites failed to this throughout the years. The scriptures don’t say exactly how many times the Israelites broke this law but 70 years of desolation was the total time that God required to allow the land to rest from being cultivated and harvested to pay back or compensate for the times this law was trespassed.

  It is important to take note of this because some people can argue that God let the Jews out earlier than 70 years and reconcile 586 but that cannot apply to the land. Therefore, if 539 was the end of the 70 year desolation of the land, the desolation must have begun 70 years earlier.

  “21 to fulfill Jehovah’s word spoken by Jeremiah, until the land had paid off its sabbaths. All the days it lay desolate it kept sabbath, to fulfill 70 years.” —2chr 2: 21

  ALL the days
  
  
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  New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.

  by waton in

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  for what it is worth to those interested.

  1914.. tel-aviv university.

  "biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.

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  why the majority of scholars accept 586 you can read the two articles I referenced

  If you could link the articles that don’t require membership or login, great. I did read briefly about the Rosetta seals which they concluded the kings of Judah stopped using around 587 and using their dating methods dated 586. So they believe. And therefore Jerusalem fell in 586. If you can link the complete works as I mentioned, great. I can read with an open mind but I am skeptical to begin with because prophecy required the land to pay back its Sabbaths counting back from 539 and 586 wouldn’t add up. If 586 is the factual date, it would be a problem relating to prophecy.

  The crucial year WT uses to establish the fulfillment of the Messianic prophecy in Daniel 9 is 455 for the 20th year of Artaxerxes

  Correct. As I also posted, I didn’t remember at the time where that date came from. Insight on the Scriptures under the topic 70 weeks explains WT reasons why believed but doesn’t link to 539 —although 539 and 29 are “pivotal” dates WT uses in phase with WT Bible chronology according to Insight article on chronology. Theoretically, using 539 as the standard other historical dates such as 29 should coincide (if linking historical events was possible) and so should theoretical dates such as 586 or 607.

  reconstruct when biblical military campaigns occurred and uses 586 as an anchor for the destruction of Jerusalem, which the majority of scholars accept.

  
  So it depends upon conclusions or interpretation of evidence by majority of scholars same as the evolution of man from other life forms.
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  New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.

  by waton in

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  for what it is worth to those interested.

  1914.. tel-aviv university.

  "biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.

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  when Jerusalem was burned by Babylonian troops in 586BC. According to the biblical Book of Kings, this happened “in the fifth month, on the seventh day of the month, which was the nineteenth year of King Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon”.

  Conclusions. I’m not convinced.
  
  
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  New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.

  by waton in

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  for what it is worth to those interested.

  1914.. tel-aviv university.

  "biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.

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  Fisherman

  Interesting read, Earnest. Thank you kindly.
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  New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.

  by waton in

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  for what it is worth to those interested.

  1914.. tel-aviv university.

  "biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.

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  Fisherman

  The assumed date is not only based on the historically reliable biblical descriptions. It is also determined by a variety of other means

  Probably like the results but not factually like 539 which stands on its own.
  
  
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  New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.

  by waton in

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  for what it is worth to those interested.

  1914.. tel-aviv university.

  "biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.

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  it is considered historically reliable

  That doesn’t sound very scientific if the assumed date has any bearing on the accuracy of the results.

  Also, if I read the article correctly, it describes the resulting data as probable and not as a measurement with the tolerance.

  Off the top of my head, I’m not sure ( I didn’t check) I think that 539 is the standing WT also uses to establish the fulfillment of the Messianic prophecy in Daniel 9 of Jesus in the 1st Century.

  If 586 does not line up with Christian interpretation of Daniel 9, there is a problem.