Posts by Fisherman

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freedom of speech and loss of rights

by enoughisenough in

i was thinking about freedom of speech after watching a clip about the jw suing kevin mcfree.

they wanted to take away his freedom of speech.

but in thinking about it, that is the way of the organization, save they want to control thought as well.

Fisherman

JW suing Kevin McFree. They wanted to take away his freedom of speech. But in thinking about it, that is the way of the organization

The first amendment legally applies in traditional public forums. But it doesn’t apply on private property or in limited public forums. For example, the preaching work is a form of freedom of speech but you may not have the legal right to preach or disseminate your beliefs on private property. Do don’t be shocked if you don’t have freedom of speech in the “Christian Congregation.”

I don’t know the case you reference but if a person says something that causes personal injury-and I don’t mean when someone is based on 1A and says something that hurts someone’s feelings-such person can be held legally liable. 1A is not only governed by time place and manner but a person can be held liable for saying something that damages another person and that is not taking away freedom of speech.

Based on JW interpretation of the Bible, secular standards of freedom of speech don’t apply in the Christian congregation.

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Awesome YouTube Video About The Dangers Of Watchtower & Jehovah’s Witnesses w/ 5 Million Views

by JW GoneBad in

this youtube video about the dangers of the watchtower and jehovah’s witnesses is less than a year old and already approaching 5 million views...approximately 21 thousand visits a day!.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gdwhdj7plwo.

Fisherman

No, I don’t think it misrepresents the religion

Funny.

40k people get kicked out of JW yearly for adultery and other sex related sins and many thousands more for other sins such as stealing, drug use, etc. And many leave through the backdoor. And then this film claims people are in danger and trapped inside JW while nobody is afraid to sin but they are afraid of JW message that God punishes. What a bunch of boloney. If someone wants to leave JW, they just leave and live whatever life they like. Nobody bothers them. I know plenty of people that left. No DA letter no df. The problem is that some people have ties and family with other JW and they don’t like it that other JW don’t want anything to do with them and they get angry for this. Or when someone gets their feelings hurt they want to get even.

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Awesome YouTube Video About The Dangers Of Watchtower & Jehovah’s Witnesses w/ 5 Million Views

by JW GoneBad in

this youtube video about the dangers of the watchtower and jehovah’s witnesses is less than a year old and already approaching 5 million views...approximately 21 thousand visits a day!.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gdwhdj7plwo.

Fisherman

This YouTube video about the dangers of the Watchtower and Jehovah’s Witness

The vid misrepresents JW. It targets nonJW away from the org. Honest hearted JW and even JW who left know better. The Bible clearly states that God will take action against the wicked, etc. Getting angry at JW for publishing what the Bible says does not change the Bible message. It is about the message, JW is only a messenger. —Don’t want to be redundant. I am more afraid of the corrupt things children are exposed to and learning in school as normal. The people in the vid are angry people that want to get back at JW for something that hurt them, and while I do feel compassion for their pain and sincerely understand their position, a disingenuous representation of JW cannot be justified. The ulterior motive is vindictiveness.

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Myth of 1914

by peacefulpete in

the wt engages in history revisionism when insisting the world changed overnight in 1914. in fact the european power struggles that came to a head were centuries old.

millions of lives had been lost in the wars of the 19th century, with the world a powder keg the years prior to the assassination of franz ferdinand in june 1914 which is often said, albeit rather arbitrarily, as the start of the war that escalated over the next 4 years into the great war.

take a look at these two pages and ask if the wt's interpretation of history seems accurate to you.

Fisherman

TD

By the way, thanks for sharing the very interesting quotations. Not too many people have them or have read them before, I figure. I always enjoy your commentary and your material.

Best,

Fisherman

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Myth of 1914

by peacefulpete in

the wt engages in history revisionism when insisting the world changed overnight in 1914. in fact the european power struggles that came to a head were centuries old.

millions of lives had been lost in the wars of the 19th century, with the world a powder keg the years prior to the assassination of franz ferdinand in june 1914 which is often said, albeit rather arbitrarily, as the start of the war that escalated over the next 4 years into the great war.

take a look at these two pages and ask if the wt's interpretation of history seems accurate to you.

Fisherman

Hi Ozzie,

kick his heels, how could christians at the time, and now, not see how sacrilegious, even blasphemous, that teaching is.

As Jw interpret the Bible Satan is still running around and Jesus will just have to wait until God’s appointed time to crush his head. By the same token Jesus had to wait until the Gentile Times ended when at that time 1914 he was given power to act first to kick Satan out of heaven.

Nothing offensive about Jesus being patient: “Consider the patience of our Lord..”

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Myth of 1914

by peacefulpete in

the wt engages in history revisionism when insisting the world changed overnight in 1914. in fact the european power struggles that came to a head were centuries old.

millions of lives had been lost in the wars of the 19th century, with the world a powder keg the years prior to the assassination of franz ferdinand in june 1914 which is often said, albeit rather arbitrarily, as the start of the war that escalated over the next 4 years into the great war.

take a look at these two pages and ask if the wt's interpretation of history seems accurate to you.

Fisherman

And they can just as easily claim they didn't.

You don’t get it. If JW claim a sign validates 1914. It is written in stone. And that’s that.

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Myth of 1914

by peacefulpete in

the wt engages in history revisionism when insisting the world changed overnight in 1914. in fact the european power struggles that came to a head were centuries old.

millions of lives had been lost in the wars of the 19th century, with the world a powder keg the years prior to the assassination of franz ferdinand in june 1914 which is often said, albeit rather arbitrarily, as the start of the war that escalated over the next 4 years into the great war.

take a look at these two pages and ask if the wt's interpretation of history seems accurate to you.

Fisherman

peacefulpete6 minutes ago

I believe they will drop it with a wave of the hand and burst of magician's flash paper.

JW FDS claim they saw the sign in 1914.

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Myth of 1914

by peacefulpete in

the wt engages in history revisionism when insisting the world changed overnight in 1914. in fact the european power struggles that came to a head were centuries old.

millions of lives had been lost in the wars of the 19th century, with the world a powder keg the years prior to the assassination of franz ferdinand in june 1914 which is often said, albeit rather arbitrarily, as the start of the war that escalated over the next 4 years into the great war.

take a look at these two pages and ask if the wt's interpretation of history seems accurate to you.

Fisherman

think the Borg and it's actions are cutting 'loose' the 1914 sentiment.

False. For the reasons I gave and more.

It is mentioned less and less

True. There is nothing more to add. The gt did not come as per JW expectations and as JW said it would. The great tribulation must now come and validate JW.

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Myth of 1914

by peacefulpete in

the wt engages in history revisionism when insisting the world changed overnight in 1914. in fact the european power struggles that came to a head were centuries old.

millions of lives had been lost in the wars of the 19th century, with the world a powder keg the years prior to the assassination of franz ferdinand in june 1914 which is often said, albeit rather arbitrarily, as the start of the war that escalated over the next 4 years into the great war.

take a look at these two pages and ask if the wt's interpretation of history seems accurate to you.

Fisherman

When they finally cut the anchor of 1914

Generation is still tethered to 1914 and and so is the climax of Jesus’s presence, the GT, and the preaching work. And most important, the kingdom is in place since 1914.

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Myth of 1914

by peacefulpete in

the wt engages in history revisionism when insisting the world changed overnight in 1914. in fact the european power struggles that came to a head were centuries old.

millions of lives had been lost in the wars of the 19th century, with the world a powder keg the years prior to the assassination of franz ferdinand in june 1914 which is often said, albeit rather arbitrarily, as the start of the war that escalated over the next 4 years into the great war.

take a look at these two pages and ask if the wt's interpretation of history seems accurate to you.

Fisherman

TD

Russell's terminology should be evaluated in the context of his own usage.

I understand what Russel taught. WT does not say Russel is Joseph Smith or the rule. WT has a different understanding now about Christ’s return as I mentioned. So, JW beliefs do not depend upon interpreting CTR. WT also agrees with many things Russel taught not because Russel taught them but because when WT interprets the Bible on their own they arrive at the same understanding as Russel did.