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  Is Bible chronology true?

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to jw interpretation of bible chronology, the earliest human, adam, came into existence some 6,048 years ago compared to scientific dating of human fossils believed to be much older.

  since jesus validated the creation of adam and eve as historical people and jc’s own lineage is traced all the way back to adam, bible chronology is certified as true and there must be something wrong with scientific dating.

  what proves scientific dating as accurate that humans are much older than what bible chronology says?.

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  Jeffro,

  The tension here is not your favorite version of Bible chronology compared to wt interpretation but that scientific dating is much older than Bible chronology challenging the Bible.
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  I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....

  by BeaverEater in

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  im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.

  while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.

  lol.

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  laws of thermodynamics

  The descriptive universe did not exist before the big bang. Or did it? What laws applied if it did or didn’t? Fill me in on what existed or didn’t exist before the universe existed and what laws applied or didn’t apply, Einstein.
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  I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....

  by BeaverEater in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.

  while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.

  lol.

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  Fisherman

  The funny thing is, your ‘solution’ is that the universe appeared out of nothing, and an infinitely complex being just always existed.

  Not funny at all. The premise is that something always existed, God and the universe came from something.
  
  
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  Is Bible chronology true?

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to jw interpretation of bible chronology, the earliest human, adam, came into existence some 6,048 years ago compared to scientific dating of human fossils believed to be much older.

  since jesus validated the creation of adam and eve as historical people and jc’s own lineage is traced all the way back to adam, bible chronology is certified as true and there must be something wrong with scientific dating.

  what proves scientific dating as accurate that humans are much older than what bible chronology says?.

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  cofty, my fine feathered friend. That is not proof:

  Multiple lines of evidence

  You mean interpretation of evidence which is not the same as the evidence.

  prove beyond ALL doubt

  Disagree with your belief. There is reasonable doubt. Also, using preponderance as the standard, there isn’t enough evidence to convince. By definition, proof means enough evidence. Also, interpretation is not evidence. For example, in the CE book, wt challenges the dating method.

  as risible as flat earth.

  Nah. A flat earth is debunked with empirical evidence.

  scientific evidence on this many times.

  No you haven’t. (Although, I do enjoy your posts and your personality.) You often confuse evidence, proof, interpretation, conclusion, argument, theory, and your personal belief: what you feel should be sequitur.

  That is not proof. Myself and many others are not convinced.
  
  
  
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  Is Bible chronology true?

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to jw interpretation of bible chronology, the earliest human, adam, came into existence some 6,048 years ago compared to scientific dating of human fossils believed to be much older.

  since jesus validated the creation of adam and eve as historical people and jc’s own lineage is traced all the way back to adam, bible chronology is certified as true and there must be something wrong with scientific dating.

  what proves scientific dating as accurate that humans are much older than what bible chronology says?.

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  Fisherman

  According to JW interpretation of Bible chronology, the earliest human, Adam, came into existence some 6,048 years ago compared to scientific dating of human fossils believed to be much older. Since Jesus validated the creation of Adam and Eve as historical people and JC’s own lineage is traced all the way back to Adam, Bible chronology is certified as true and there must be something wrong with scientific dating. What proves scientific dating as accurate that humans are much older than what Bible chronology says?
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  Elder Arrested For Decades Long Abuse

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  not sure if this has already been posted:.

  https://kdvr.com/news/affidavit-religious-elder-abused-raped-children-for-decades/ .

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  charges are often dropped "without prejudice" because of time issues in an investigation. By doing that, a DA can re-file charges at a later date. I have had many cases either rejected for filing or pled down

  I think that a prosecuting agency has a lot of power and discretion too and as you’ve said, they may not want to prosecute for different reasons. But this is not a victimless crime. I don’t know anything about this guy or about this case except what is posted here recently and my subsequent reading about it online. I figured though that because it involves minors, victims and JW, the DA is under pressure to get this guy —unless it is part of some strategy to reinstate the charges later on as you suggested, so he is not off the hook. It just seems strange to me that with all the news and publicity and all those accusations, and the pressure (because a lot of people have it in for JW) is not enough for the DA. I concluded, therefore, that there was no solid evidence at that point in time ago and that is strange too even 4 month later, nothing yet. Surely with all those accusers and victims and years of alleged abuse, there must be some substance to that by now —but seemingly, nope.

  Whatever the case, I carefully re-read your post again and your opinion is not nonsense or baloney ( I apologize for saying that.) It is possible as you say that the DA dropped the charges at that time for whatever reason it had at it’s discretion and can reinstate them later on if it wants. I still think though that if it had enough evidence, the DA would have been be forced to prosecute unless part of a strategy. If you know more about this case, would be interesting.
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  Elder Arrested For Decades Long Abuse

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  not sure if this has already been posted:.

  https://kdvr.com/news/affidavit-religious-elder-abused-raped-children-for-decades/ .

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  so that it didn't ruin the track record of the DA's office.

  Nonsense. The DA has a duty to prosecute and will do so unless for reasons of not enough evidence or equity. You are again saying the same thing that the DA doesn’t want to do his job here. Baloney, the DA is compelled to prosecute if the case meets the legal requirements for sufficiency of evidence. Obviously the DA can’t and obviously if and when it has enough evidence it can prosecute or reinstate the charges in this case—which contradicts what you keep saying that the DA does not want to.
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  Elder Arrested For Decades Long Abuse

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  not sure if this has already been posted:.

  https://kdvr.com/news/affidavit-religious-elder-abused-raped-children-for-decades/ .

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  Fisherman

  You have to wonder how many men like this are out there, who will essentially get away with serial rape for many years, aided by misguided policies and people unprepared to deal with the issue and unwilling to seek help.

  compare

  (and keep in mind for this case what did wt do wrong as you imply) The DA “being prepared to deal with the issue and help” did not prosecute him.

  Which is why I specifically used the word "believe" and not "know."
  Second, you said that, according to me"everybody is guilty simply because they are accused." I neither said that, nor did I imply it. Your characterization of me is incorrect, and I don't see a basis for it in anything I said.
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  Elder Arrested For Decades Long Abuse

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  not sure if this has already been posted:.

  https://kdvr.com/news/affidavit-religious-elder-abused-raped-children-for-decades/ .

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  Fisherman

  Thanks, Captain Obvious.

  I'm saying that I believe his accusers.

  So, obviously you missed the point. Believe what you like but you are defeated both legally and logically without evidence to substantiate. The reasons which I spelled out for you: Your belief is what makes you happy. I’m not repeating my reasons again.
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  Top AI inventor Geoffrey Hinton reluctantly concluded that AI will probably humanity fairly soon

  by slimboyfat in

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  geoffrey hinton, major inventor of artificial intelligence: .

  “if you take the existential risk seriously, as i now do—i used to think it was way off, but now i think it’s serious, and fairly close—it might be quite sensible to just stop developing these things any further, but i think it’s completely naïve to think that would happen.

  there’s no way to make that happen.

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  the most powerful intelligence on the planet surely can.

  The human brain is more powerful and independent though governed by feelings. AI depends on programming. A computer is very hard to beat at chess but you can find glitches and patterns and may defeat it. AI is a higher level but it is slso only a program, a calculator, as cofty said needs a battery and can burn a capacitor or blow out a circuit.