candy and luis cuevas had no regrets about taking their three children with them to a late afternoon showing wednesday at colonnade.
the cuevases have two daughters, ages 9 and 8, and a 3-year-old son.
"i want them to see why jesus died, and it was a great movie," said candy cuevas, 29, a jehovah's witness.
Of course, the kids must have been reminded a million times afterwards that Jesus died on a stake, not a cross, according to the witnesses.
I haven't had a chance to delve too much into their reason for saying he died on a stake and not a cross... My wife says it's because it is written that he was nailed to a tree... I always thought the tree description was just symbolic and that use of the word crucifixion hit the nail on the head a bit better (pardon the pun)...
FM
for me, the walls of the watchtower were not destroyed by a single giant cannon-ball but rather every brick had been weakened and suddenly the whole thing just 'collapsed'.. i've alwys been an avid reader and a firm believer that you can learn anything and everything from a good book.
anyway, i was reading a bad book, the creation book, and this time things were different.. normally, the mere thought that the wts could "not be right" could not even be contemplated.
it was like you can't even comprehend the concept or understand the question, least of all imagine it.. yet now, i read the book and things were screaming at me from the pages.
Angharad, Great testimony - thanks.
He ordered a video from Freeminds
Simon - which video was it?
I think if you know someone you love is being deceived and faces the very real possibility that they will be hurt or even die as a result, you will tell them
Damn right ...
for me, the walls of the watchtower were not destroyed by a single giant cannon-ball but rather every brick had been weakened and suddenly the whole thing just 'collapsed'.. i've alwys been an avid reader and a firm believer that you can learn anything and everything from a good book.
anyway, i was reading a bad book, the creation book, and this time things were different.. normally, the mere thought that the wts could "not be right" could not even be contemplated.
it was like you can't even comprehend the concept or understand the question, least of all imagine it.. yet now, i read the book and things were screaming at me from the pages.
Simon,
Thanks for sharing that story with us. I am glad it worked worked out with your wife before things got out of hand. Definitely glad you got out in time to avoid any compliations on the birth of your second child... what a blessing.
How long has this site been around? Although I was never a JW I still needed support when I found out the danger my familiy was in due to motives of the WTS and it's lies. I couldn't sleep for a week...
This was the second site I visited after my discovery ... I posted immediately... The discovery proces for me went as follows...
towerwatch.com showed the WTS for what it is --- a cult
JWD - Put a voice and human touch on the mass migration of former dubs out of the borg ... this beats a therapist anyday
silentlambs - was the first weapon of choice in revealing this to my wife - to appeal to her motherly instinct ...
freeminds - is a library of infomration...
I look forward to seeing the next passage...
i remember how little kids got so excited when they got to actually touch the glass and the dish!
yet, most people seemed to (respectfully) keep their heads down and try to look morbidly serious.
was the act of "passing the emblems" a thrill for you?
I believe I went to one of these while my wife and I were dating. This was way before I realized the troof about the WTS (I just thought it was another one of many christian based religions at the time).
I really didn't pay much attention to what was happening. I was just there as the loyal boyfriend type person.... I remember we got there late. We had to sit in the back near the entrance by a coat rack I think [this must've been 4-5 years ago]. We sat there for I guess about 45 minutes - some one was speaking in the assembly area. I don't even remember if we got to see anything passed around (I drank a lot at the time - but can proudly say I was sober at the meeting). Afterward we greeted her sisters and some other folks and left. I didn't care enough at the time to ask any questions (in retrospect imagine what I could've prevented today had I merely researched the WT online).
Can someone one fill me in on what exactly goes on at the memorial, general terminology etc....
Thanks,
FM
i haven't seen this posted before here.
it's rather a newer document (feb 19, 2003), so it may not have made it onto your radar screens yet.
suprised i found it, myself.
Does anyone have any comments as to how the WTS could side step the fact that the SEC report states that this was a donation from an individual... To the free rational mind this is an obvious smoking gun,,,but I can see how a JW would use this fact to wash the WT's hands of this blatant contadictoin in their doctrine ,,,,
i'm trying to get some comments that active jehovah's witnesses may have heard after dateline aired back on may 28, 2002.
do you remember any comments made about the dateline program either made from the platform at the kingdom hall, or in private conversations with other jw's?
how were the people who where on dateline viewed in your area, especially at the kingdom hall or by other jws?
The first site I showed my wife was the silent lambs site. It was this and all the cover by the various news orgs - including DATELINE, that helped her realized the WTS is a deceiver...She didn't even have to see the actual show ...
The talk seemed to sweep the WTBS responsibility to this issue under the rug! After all: you need a 2 person rule to turn in a pedophile (that's what the Bible says)
Code blue, Sorry. Does the bible really say this or is this a joke gone over my head? If so what passage is this in?
THanks,
FM
most people have left the organization because of emotional issues.
the feeling that there is no real love or fellow feeling seems to get at people.
it gnaws at them.
I'm trying to understand what you all are going through so I can be there for my wife. I scan this site every day but can never really get a even a glimpse of what WT put every one through... b/c I don't know what to compare this to ... any lies I've ever been told did not reach deep into my mental and spiritual framework ...
This is a dark time in our lives. I can see the hopelessness in my wife's eyes. I'm trying to get her to talk to me but I think she is trying to be strong for our sake (my daughter and I). Part of it I think is that she feels she was never really in. I suspect this is a grand denial ... the effects are enough to keep her struggling with what to do and where to go next. She feels lost and confused. She thought this was the one tru religion. Her sisters are into WT big time. She feels she'll never be able to get them out.
Sometimes I feel I ripped the bandaid off too fast in showing her all that you folks have revealed to me. Now I can't stop the pain.
... not sure if I did the right thing in showing her all the websites at once, but I've been trying to get her to post here so she can let it all out and share with you ... I can feel the heart break that the truth has brough upon her ... I can imagine the thoughts going through her mind as she sits on the couch wearing the thousand mile stare ...
this is the new book edited by edmund gruss.
i just finished reading it and must say a one word description would be "disturbing".
the book focuses of course on the characters and motivations of the first four presidents of the watchtower society.
DISCLAIMER. I'm not that bad a speller ... just a poor editor
this is the new book edited by edmund gruss.
i just finished reading it and must say a one word description would be "disturbing".
the book focuses of course on the characters and motivations of the first four presidents of the watchtower society.
JC, Now were talking. This is very helpful information. Can you corrovorate? How can I prove this to loved ones who need more proof aside form the obvious reasons found in over a century of WT lies w/in their own literature.
Many (ACT) 'AS IF' they don't get it. Why? Do I really need to draw up a blueprint as to the why? It's pretty obvious, if you know what I mean. And I think ya do, sir.
SF, Honestly I have no clue what you are talking about. So forgive for being naive.
I have never been a JW (never will be). I literally only found out about the Borg a week ago (still in complete shock) - in an effort to get my wife to research this org before commiting ...she wouldn't so I took initiavtive... something smelled fishy from the first KH I attended 3 years ago. And I've only been a few times since - with an open heart - in our desire to worship toghether -- as a falmily -- as it should be. I don't know what turned me off more the transparent circular logic, the suspicious referencs from obscure sources over decades old, ore the eiry illustrations I found in the WT's "literature" [for lack of a better word].
Anyway my point is I'm pretty ignorant right now to the inner workings of WT and I need proof on top of the obvious to make my point across to my wife,,,, b/c as we all know they are masters of the brainwash... so in order to exhaust some flimsy theries I have to play devil's advocate...
But back to your quote. Please elaborate.
this is the new book edited by edmund gruss.
i just finished reading it and must say a one word description would be "disturbing".
the book focuses of course on the characters and motivations of the first four presidents of the watchtower society.
I'm still on the fence. From a business standpoint I don't see any real sales happening. I agree that the product is paradise, but the "donations only" policy is hard to argue against. The members being the customer's is a good explaination - my wife's sister donates 10% monthly - but this is true of many other non JW religions. This makes it hard to prove that it is a paradise for profit scheme...
In the meantime - luckily there are many other smoking guns in WT's history for somone reveal the truth to a loved one...this is what I have to rely on ...
