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by Frenchy in

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the views expressed here are my own and i state them as such.

perhaps some will agree with me, for a certainty others will not.

i invite comment and discussion regardless of your viewpoint.

Andyman

I think there comes a time when we should stop with the debate and talk about reality.

In MY reality 90% of the borthers and sisters I know believe that if you aren't in the organization you will die at the big "A". Now they learned this from where?

And 90% of the brothers and siters I know believe that if you leave the organization, walk away, stop going to meetings, or DA you will also die at the big "A". Once again where did they learn this?

I don't think they came up with these thing all on their own, do you Friend?

Now we can argue the points form society literature til we are blue in the face. There are articles that will prove both sides of the debate. Again why is that? How can we fine the quotes to back up both sides if the society is remaining steadfast in their beliefs?

Sometimes we have to rely on our own experiences to answer the questions. Many times it will vary from congregation to congreagation. Now that also brings up the question of WHY?

All this makes me thing that the society has some real problems, and we can't get the answers from the literature, we have to go to the bible to understand what God wants from us.

Great Idea .

Just my 2 cents worth here.

Andyman:

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by Frenchy in

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the views expressed here are my own and i state them as such.

perhaps some will agree with me, for a certainty others will not.

i invite comment and discussion regardless of your viewpoint.

Andyman

I think there comes a time when we should stop with the debate and talk about reality.

In MY reality 90% of the borthers and sisters I know believe that if you aren't in the organization you will die at the big "A". Now they learned this from where?

And 90% of the brothers and siters I know believe that if you leave the organization, walk away, stop going to meetings, or DA you will also die at the big "A". Once again where did they learn this?

I don't think they came up with these thing all on their own, do you Friend?

Now we can argue the points form society literature til we are blue in the face. There are articles that will prove both sides of the debate. Again why is that? How can we fine the quotes to back up both sides if the society is remaining steadfast in their beliefs?

Sometimes we have to rely on our own experiences to answer the questions. Many times it will vary from congregation to congreagation. Now that also brings up the question of WHY?

All this makes me thing that the society has some real problems, and we can't get the answers from the literature, we have to go to the bible to understand what God wants from us.

Great Idea .

Just my 2 cents worth here.

Andyman:

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Blood donating?

by Maxee in

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regarding the new light on blood and the different components we need to be aware of i think it will be very difficult for individuals to figure out what they can choose to take and what not.. regardless of the status the aithful and discreet slave has assigned each of these components one thing should still be kept in mind.

even the smallest amount of blood fraction requires a lot of blood most of this though blood donations.. for eg:.

albumin is often used to treat burns.

Andyman

Maxee:

Yes I too find it hard to understand the blood policy these days. Like someone said to me once, "it's like making a cake, you can eat all the ingredents seperatly, but you can put them together and eat at as a whole cake!"

As for donatating blood to help with all the JW's who use the fractions, I also believe that this should be done. If the society says JW's can take the fractions, then JW's should be able to replenish the supply that is being drained.

As for the charity issues I agree with Waiting, if the society allows the use of these charities when someone in the congregations need them, then we should be allowed to donate to them to help out. I know that some JW's use the food banks, go to food distribution give aways by the government, etc. and some DO contribute to these cuases, but most don't.

I remember an elder telling me about the WASTE of money donating to things like Green Peace, Save the whales, etc., and how much better the society could use that money. But from what I can see the only thing the society is doing is building things like Patterson, and more Branch offices around the world. I also have heard that many poor countries need Kingdom halls but are unable to repay the loans to build them. I have talked to brothers that have come back from these countries where they helped build Branch offices, but the people were meeting under trees or out in the open because they had no hall. Has anyone else heard stories like this?

Take care.

Andyman:

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Prophetic errors and other ???

by Seven in

does anyone know of other sites where one can ask questions about the society's prophetic errors and other doctrinal objections?

i have so many questions and don't wish to be troubled with triggered responses and other aggrevations.. thanks in advance,.

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Andyman

Ask away, if I can answer I will.

Take care.

Andyman:

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Prophetic errors and other ???

by Seven in

does anyone know of other sites where one can ask questions about the society's prophetic errors and other doctrinal objections?

i have so many questions and don't wish to be troubled with triggered responses and other aggrevations.. thanks in advance,.

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Andyman

You can go to this site. It has a lot of information and no participation.

http://www.stormloader.com/shaun/

Hope this helps.

Andyman:

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To: Truthbknown

by Dubby in

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dear truthbknown,.

don't be so afraid to let the truthbknown!

devoting yourself to men and their rules puts you in a precarious position with jehovah.

Andyman

Hi Waiting;

You hit the nail on the head. Why is it that we have to find something better if we leave? Isn't God and Jesus enough?

You don't know how many times I have heard that question "where will you go if you leave" asked in the last couple of years that I have been on the internet.

Like you said the society can only remove one from the organization not from Jehovah.

It is alos kind of ironic that when they remove someone they claim they have "left" Jehovah, when in reality this may not always be true.

Like RedhorseWoman said, "We all buy into the idea that God is available ONLY through the WTS". I think this idea is very sad indeed.

Take care.

Andyman:

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PROOF from the WT

by Scorpion in

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that the organization means salvation

Andyman

Hi Friend;

I am assuming that you are the same Friend from over at H20 and witnesses.net. If not you sure debate the same:).

I know that most JW's will tell you that Jehovah and Jesus will be the ones to do the judging, but lets be honest here, they tell that to those at the door, or those who aren't JW's. When JW's get together the converstation, in most cases, is that ONLY JW'w will be saved.

I think that SC has proven his point here very well.

Like Waiting said, the best debator isn't the issue here. The facts are right here for all to see, and I think that is the issue.

If you are the same Friend from H20 I would like to say that I do respect your devotion to the society, and though I don't agree with everything you say, I admire your loyalty. But again I believe that loyalty should be for Jehovah, not the organization.

Take care.

Andyman:

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What's up with bookstudy

by Searching1 in

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took the laptop to bookstudy this week so we could check out the site together.

our good brother martini has been posting for some time and has been telling us about this web site where he can say the most outrageous things and people will just basically nod their heads in agreement and say right on, brother.. like once he said, i prefer to do it (preaching) with sporadic and extemporaneous praise in deed, word, poetry and song.

it was totally tongue-in-cheek, but nobody picked up on it.

Andyman

Oh yes, I think we have another one of "Lars" many personalities. Isn't it great to be a "child" and be able to play stupid little games like this.

Get real nobody brings a "laptop" to the bookstudy. The GB has made the internet the devils playground, and you tell me the bookstudy conductor is going to go for this? Yeah right!

Lars, Searching 1, Buttinski, who ever, get a life. People come here to discuss problems they are having, and you play games. Are you proud of yourself for being such a jerk?

Why don't you discuss the issues and forget the little game you have been playing. You can't win an argument over at CARM and you won't win one here, so grow up.

Take care now.

Andyman:

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Rules and Regulations

by Simon in

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ok, it seems like we need to start setting up some rules and regulations as 'common sense' doesn;t seem to work for everyone.. rule 1. no personal attacks / insults.

feel free to submit any rules (or guidelines) that you think would help.

Andyman

Hi Waiting;

Actually I think I know this person. There is a person who acts the same way over on a different board. They came in just like lars, rude, crude, and trying to cause problems.

They have had their entire posts deleted twice, been banned for a week, and today they used a line just like Lars does. They used the phrase "max smart voice inserted here". Sounds like Lars to me, but the name used on the other board is "Buttinski" fits pretty good too.

If this is you "Buttinski" I know you can play nice if you really want to. Try to behave before you get into trouble here also.

Waiting, I also think that people like "Lars" or "Buttinski" are trying to bring out the bad in all of us. Makes them feel good I guess.

I think that Friend has posted over at H20 before. At least someone using that name has posted there, and they sound a lot alike. Both are very knowledgeable. He is really a pretty nice person.

Take care.

Andyman:

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Rules and Regulations

by Simon in

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ok, it seems like we need to start setting up some rules and regulations as 'common sense' doesn;t seem to work for everyone.. rule 1. no personal attacks / insults.

feel free to submit any rules (or guidelines) that you think would help.

Andyman

I am new to the board, but I have been lurking for a few weeks now. I enjoy the discussions, and think it is great to have a place where brothers and sisters can come and "freely" discuss things that are bothering them, without fear of reprisal.

Your are right Simmon there does have to be some "rules and regulations" in order to keep things from getting carried away.

In my view "Lars" is just a troll looking for trouble. I have seen this happen on other boards. They come in and try and disrupt things because the "thinking" process going on isn't the same as theirs.

You suggested earlier in another post that everyone should ignore "Lars". I agree. If nobody plays his game he will simply go away.

Once again I enjoy this board, and thanks for providing it.

Andyman: