now i understand completely that most in this forum are 100% against jws and the watchtower.
what i don't understand is the disrespect that has been shown for such a sacred occasion that is the memorial (last supper).
whether you agree with jws or not, the fact is that the last supper has a lot of meaning for christians.
I agee with you Jeff, what the JW's do is nothing but an empty ceremony which has nothing to do with respect for Jesus.
What respect is shown when the emblems are passed and everyone refuses them? None in my book.
The JW "memorial" is only a way of seperating people. Jesus said there was "one" hope not two. Going to the JW memorial only shows respect for the "anointed" JW's, and not for Jesus.
Take care.
Andyman:
well, i was tempted but i decided not to go to the most bizarre religious ritual of modern times....how about you?.
isp
I also have not been asked since 1995, and wouldn't go if they did!
I guess they feel some of us are beyond hope, and I am glad to one of them! :D
Take care.
Andyman:
has anyone been on jw sites where they are discussing this issue?.
i have been reading the remarks over at the touchstone board, and it's enough to make one sick!.
this poor man who is trying to save his child is being torn apart by a bunch of self rightous jw's who only care about his following the rules of the "organization"!.
Has anyone been on JW sites where they are discussing this issue?
I have been reading the remarks over at the Touchstone board, and it's enough to make one sick!
This poor man who is trying to save his child is being torn apart by a bunch of self rightous JW's who only care about his following the rules of the "organization"!
Reading things like this makes be thank God even more for allowing me to see the "hypocrisy" that is involved with the JW religion.
Here is a link to the site.
If these are God's chosen ones, then I would rather die than be one of them!
Take care.
Andyman:
are you the same sunspot that posted on h20?
reading your profile makes me think you are.
if so i used to post over there also under andy.
Are you the same sunspot that posted on H20?
Reading your profile makes me think you are. If so I used to post over there also under ANDY. I always enjoyed your posts, and wondered what happened to you.
If you are the same let me know what has been happening in your life. I would really like to here from you.
Take care.
Andyman:
i posted this thread last summer about a witness lady who was killed in a car crash.
i once knew her very well, all her family in weston are witnesses too: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=9489&site=3.
todays weston & somerset mercury contains this news feature:.
I live in the Pacific Northwest and have seen many cases of alcohol abuse so no it is not an isolated thing from what I have seen.
I know elders and their wives who have problems, MS's, and just every day rank and file JW's. I know that they preach against alcohol abuse, but what is preached from the stage and what is practiced are two different things. One MS I know buys his booze by the "half gallon" and not just one at a time either! The P.O.'s wife has parties that involve plenty of booze and all kinds of R rated movies, but she has never been talked to, nobody has the guts to!
They use the bible to defend themselves saying it's OK to drink, as long as you don't admit to anyone your a drunk I guess it's OK, at least in my old congregation it was!
Take care.
Andyman:
I have seen this happen on several boards, H20 included.
Things are going along pretty well, sure there are disagreements but not any that can't be solved. The JW's come on and things get hot, but still not anything that can't be worked out, and then more come on and pretty soon everyone is at each others throats. Then others start posting who claim to be "ex-JW's" but don't act like it, they simply cause more problems and keep the fires going! Pretty soon everyone is attacking everyone else and the boards end up like H20.
Now I don't post here very much, but I do read this board every day. This has become what H20 used to be, the hottest site on the net for discussion on JW's. Now I really don't think the society likes this, and I know that those "loyal" JW's don't. Getting this board to take the same route as H20 would make the society happy as well as the "active" loyal JW's who come here.
Please don't let that happen. This board helps those that are really looking for help, and it helps those active JW's who are starting to question things in their own mind. This board needs to survivie what is happening and go back to the informative board is started out to be.
This has already been said but if you don't like the person don't read their posts! It's pretty simple and it really does work. Also don't let the "trolls" get under your skin, that's what they are trying to do.
Just my 2 cents worth here.
Take care.
Andyman:
this is straight from touchstone forum: http://www.touchstoneforum.org/.
"why are we jehovah's witnesses?".
let me approach the big picture from this angle.. jehovahs witnesses know that the christian organization that they are affiliated with has made errors in the past.
Yes, they need to be answered, but getting on this board is not easy. They started out trying to pretend that it was "open" but now they have "adjusted" the board and now openly admit that they will not allowe ex-JW's or JW's who question the beliefs or teachings of the society as members.
Hawk has been there, and last week they deleted two of his posts because he posted for someone who was not a member, but wanted to voice his opinion. They said if a person wanted to get his voice heard they should join, but within hours Wrench had up the new "adjusted" rules for the board. Not very "open minded" if you ask me!
There are at least 20 some people who have applied for membership to the board that still have not posted anything. I believe that most of them have been turned down, even some who were not ex-JW's but spoke out against them on the CARM boards. They seem to pick and chose, and I am surprised that Hawk and Skiingcowboy got on.
What I wonder is what they would do at the door if someone told them these same things, pretty much, about their religion and said they would stay with the religion they were already in. Do you think the JW's would accept that or go to the reasoning book and explain to the
"why they needed to look deeper into things"? [8>]
Take care.
Andyman:
my understanding is that when a co comes for a visit to a cong., the first day he reviews the pub records, etc.
is there a certain day or day's during that week that he accompanies the elder's to specifically call on inactive ones?
is there a set schedule or time that the co follows during his visits for this?
In the past 6 years I have had ONE visit from the C.O. and that was on a Saturday, and the elder who came was the one who I got along with the best, or should say the elder who I had been talking to the most about the problems I had.
The C.O. only stayed about one hour and it was really a joke. He did most of the talking and when I did get a word in it was like he didn't even hear it. All he did was make excuses for the problems that were going on, the slander that was being spread, and the cover up that the elders were doing to protect the P.O.'s wife.
Since then there have been at least two new C.O.'s come and go and not one of them has ever stopped by our house. I think the P.O. has made sure that they stay away from us during the C.O.'s visit!
I don't know if they still do it, but we were called ahead of time to make sure we would be home. And we had requested the meeting with the C.O. through the elder who brought him months before his visit.
Take care.
Andyman:
for those of us with years of acquaintance with the wt and its teachings, it's clear that full acceptance of the 1914 date as the establishment of god's kingdom in the heavens is a non-negotiable condition of remaining in good standing in the organization.
many of us know people who've been booted out just for expressing misgivings, lety alone outright denying this teaching.
almost as central, and as non-negotiable, is the teaching that only baptised jws can expect to survive the big a.. .
I think lots of things have changed over the years as to what they do and don't believe, but like you said they keep it very hush hush and don't let anyone else know what they think for "fear" of being caught and going before the elders.
I too remember the JW's who clearly knew that if you were not a babtized JW, active of course, and the big "A" came you were pretty much dead meat. When I left several JW's told me that not only would I die, but my whole family, wife and kids.
Now on boards you hear JW's say that they don't judge that is for Jehovah to do. Of course some of this talk is just for the ears of the non-JW's who they think they are fooling, but some of them really do believe that it is up to God to decide who lives and who dies.
As for the 1914 teaching, well again I think there are many JW's who don't buy it, but refuse to admit it because of fear. Nobody wants to lose their family and friends and many stay JW's for reason. Of course if they were really your friends, well they wouldn't dump you now would they?
I have seen some huge change in JW's in my area. I used to hear "we can wait until the new system" so much when talking about health problems, new homes, marriage, children, etc. Now I see JW's investing heavy into the stock market, I see them spending thousands of dollars on their health, new homes are being built, kids are going to college and trade schools, more babies are being born, young ones are getting married instead of "waiting" for the new system. MONEY is a big issue now and saving is even bigger. Now do you think these people are really buying all that JW propoganda or are they just giving lip service and doing their own thing to make sure they aren't going to be left out in the cold if the "end" isn't just around the corner?
Of course there are others I see that still buy all the "cliams" and lies and have nothing and will have nothing the rest of thier lives. They have credit cards maxed out, bad credit, live from day to day praying that the end will come "soon"! Those are the ones I feel sorry for. They have put all their hope in a manmade organization and they have no future except the one the society paints for them.
I really wonder how many JW's would leave if they did away with the "shunning" policy and they could leave and still associate with friends and family?
Take care.
Andyman:
finally, it hits our papers.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/134394417_jehovah23m.html.
"no one can take advantage of you, without your permission.
It was also in other Washington newspapers. The Tri Cities Herald, the Wenatchee World, and someone here mentioned a Spokane paper.
I also know that it has been sent to papers in Florida, and Orgegon.
The message is getting out and they are going to have to deal with it. It isn't going to go away and they can't cover it up any longer.
Take care.
Andyman:
