Posts by trumangirl

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how about e-watchman

by visualt in

i'm in bkk thailand and i have some question for ask you here.

- why you leave from wtc.

- if you 're ex-jw and already leave from wtc ... where you go.

By blog do you mean ewatchman? He has some intriguing theories about Bible prophecies to be sure, I keep up with that. He is useful because JWs may read his site because it opens JWs eyes to the problems in the org and doctrinal failings, while still encouraging JWs to stay in the org. That is how I became inactive, thru being intro'd to ewatchman and then progressed to other sites.

The problem with ewatchman is that he still thinks JWs are 'God's visible organisation' despite the evidence against this. The WTS is shit-scared of him because he demolishes 1914 in a way that JWs can understand, and some of his fans are staying in the org on the quiet. This is why the WT lately has focusing a lot on 1914, also featuring warnings about apostates. Funny thing is that ewatchman launched a personal attack on Ray Franz, calling him apostate etc, but ewatchman is viewed the same way by WTS!

Oh and welcome by the way!

Trumangirl

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Does it ever get easier?

by Surfacing in

my heart is palpitating even as i write this.

it was only recently that i was introduced to this site.

i had long had doubts but could never bring myself to peer over the wall built in my head about the evils of apostates.

trumangirl

Surfacing,

What a great thread! I wish you all the best. I have been reading "Stop Thinking Start Living" by Richard Carlson. I recommend it for you too, it has helped me to not get overwhelmed by the thoughts, and sleep better.

Before I faded I had impending feelings of doom (tho I didn't get panic attacks) and nightmares re armageddon, because I hated the thought of all those people being killed simply for not being a JW, yet deep down I didn't want to start any bible studies or bring anyone to the meetings because I was embarrassed by my religion! What a confused state.

It is good that you're reading the history book - after no doubt feeling guilty for reading worldly stuff rather than boring WTs, an intelligent person like yourself will want to soak up new knowledge like a sponge. As people have pointed out, remember that you don't need to decide what's what, I have retained my 'faith' in certain things, discarded others and yet a lot of beliefs are in the 'tentative' basket!

trumangirl

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Automatic DA?ing of anyone taking a blood transfusion, now in the U.S!

by cyberguy in

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friends

i recently talked to a jw ?elder?

friend of mine, who said that they just received a letter (us) from the society, stating that they should ?da?

anyone who takes a blood transfusion.

trumangirl

I don't know much about this. Wondering, why would automatically DA-ing not attract a law suite whereas a judicial committee case would?

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Who is ?The Man of Lawlessness??

by Love_Truth in

who is ?the man of lawlessness??.

note: i?d like to ask that only those who have an interest in the bible, it?s interpretation, and believe it is at least partially inspired of god respond to this:.

i?ve always been interested in this scripture in 2 thessalonians 2:3-12 (niv): .

trumangirl

I have wondered about this too. I think atheists don't fit the picture. When you consider that the 'great apostasy' happened after the apostles died out, leading to the institution of the catholic church with the Pope as the infallible 'word of God' - I think the man of lawlessness, who sits down in the 'temple of God', must mean religious people who gain such control as if they are Godlike - also antichrist in the sense of replacing Christ.

THe crusaders and inquisitor who committed terrible atrocities in the name of God, were told by the Pope that killing muslims was good, in complete reverse of conscience and the Bible, but because the Pope was speaking supposedly on God's authority, any kind of twisted rationalisations were acceptable . It is the same process that happens, albeit not so atrocious, when a group of men set themselves up as the GB and F&D slave - normal conscientious principles go out the window and hypocrisy is allowed - in other words 'lawlessness'. There are many examples in history of this type of thing. I think the 'man of lawlessness' could mean these sorts of people, which christians should avoid (ie in the form of leaving controling organised religions), in favour of true christian freedom, principles and personal integrity - following Jesus ways, not those of men. Alternatively, there could be an ultimate 'man of lawlessness' - collective or singular - in the last days (ie the end of this system of things, not the WT's interpretation of 'last days').

Ewatchman has an interesting take on man of L and antichrist, which I have borrowed from but dont completely agree with him because he still thinks JWs are special.

Interesting topic, Picard dude.

trumangirl

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Incense Burning - Geez, These Guys Have a Rule For Everything!

by worldlygirl in

there seems to be a problem with incense burning now!

this is from the watchtower website: http://www.watchtower.org/library/w/2003/6/1/article_01.htm.

a) they are running out of crap to publish.

trumangirl

Cyber-Sista! Your experience at the assembly was so similar to mine it's freaky! The assembly programmes became so obnoxious for all the reasons you stated and plus some. At the last circuit assembly in our area, there was zero baptismal candidates.

The last assembly I went too last year, I went to half a morning session (and I was late) with my daughter (who didn't want to come). I think it was a special assembly day (as opposed to a normal assembly day). There were lots of experiences - people getting on stage and blowing their own trumpet. It was announced that after the song, we were going to hear from some youths who were doing well. I knew I was going to feel if I stayed any longer, so I whispered to my daughter "let's go ay?". She didn't argue. We walked to the car giggling our heads off. I knew that was the last one I would attend.

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Coming to Terms

by jumper in

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coming to terms.

my family are deeply indoctrinated in the borg, my parents have been jws since 1963 my sister and brother-in-law and their six children are in, and my brother and sister-in-law are the family?s mascot bethel elder/reg.

pioneer.

trumangirl

Jumper, you're right to feel used. If I were you I'd make sure that next time you're asked something from your brother, be as 'in acceptance' and kind and generous as you have been, but also assertive too, if he's on the take again. And when you're in assertive mode, quote a scripture to him. He will hate it but he might also feel his conscience pricked. Instead of just being a prick.

Remember too, Jesus was treated like scum by the pharisees.

Trumangirl

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The lure of paradise earth?

by little witch in

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can someone explain to me what the excititment is concerning paradise earth, as the dubs see it?

paradise seems to be the carrot on a stick for witnesses, but little information seems to be offered.

from what little discription they do give it seems to me to be a boring place to be.

trumangirl

Question: If living forever in a paradise earth seems boring, then wouldn't living a normal-length life in paradise be boring too? necessarily? WHen I say paradise I mean someplace with reasonable weather and without civil war.

When I was a JW I always thought the paradise earth pics were silly, but that doesn't mean the concept is worthless. Also I never thought perfection meant never having disagreements. If you think about it without the WT's dodgy interpretations, it's a nice concept. It might happen one day, just not in the way the WT portrays it.

trumangirl.

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Partaking/Communion

by simplesally in

as jws, most of were not allowed to partake of the emblems as we were considered unworthy.

only those of the remnant were allowed and expected to partake.

partaking meant you were heaven bound and part of that kingdom ................ well a king so to speak.. but if jw's follow the model...........would anyone have been left out of the meal?

trumangirl

The memorial highlights the conundrum of the division between those of the heavenly hope and the earthlings. It is supposed to be 'one flock', yet the great crowd are not part of 'the Israel of God', or 'spiritual Israel' - that only applies to the 144,000. So it is a flock of first class and second class citizens. I recall Ray Franz talked about this in one of his books. Also, only the partakers directly benefit from the memorial, yet all JWs are told that Jesus comanded they must attend memorial.

Trumangirl

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food at the assembly

by LukeN in

remember a few years ago 97 and down even more there use to be food at the assemblys(not the big rent-astadium ones).

i remember back then probally being 5,6,7,8 they use to give out food like hots hamburgers chips and so.

any idea why there isnt anymore?

trumangirl

I got food poisoning from a piece of crumbed fried chicken at an assembly. I did get to miss the saturday session.

What is a hoagie?

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Its that time of the year again

by Nadsam in

you will soon be cordially invited to the kh.

its mem-bore-ial season and the hunt is on.....for you!.

plan your escape today!!!!

trumangirl

I will be going, and not because of family or the "F&D slave". One day I might not go but I will still do something on memorial night to mark the occasion. Don't need to go to a KH, you can just observe it at home with a friend or loved one.

Aunthill you make a good point about the Great Crowd being left out of forgiveness of sins. I hadn't thought of that before. It is a real mystery, whether the christian hope is for all to stay on earth, all to go to heaven, some to go to heaven and the rest stay on earth, is Christ the mediator of some or few and what does it all mean exactly...

For now I will suspend my faith and say, even if Jesus was just a man, he was still a true martyr who faced down bullies and brought in a revolutionary way of thinking. That deserves some credit IMHO.

Trumangirl