she's never seen it before and probably never will so she's taking a good long look.
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Which character do you indentify with on TV shows.S&City, Soprano's etc.?
by LyinEyes inso ladies,,,,speaking of sex and the city,,,,at the end of the show,as we have watched the characters evolve ,which one do you indentify most with?
if not that show what about another character on another show?.
for the men, how about you,,,,,,,,what show character do you identify with,,,,,maybe someone off of the soprano's , seinfield, wings, cheers, queer as folk, etc.
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I see myself in all 4 of the girls, but mostly Miranda and Charlotte, actually. They were all great.
The sopranos - I actually identify with Tony- the mother issues, the double life... that's me all the way.
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Who Is "Minimus"
by SpannerintheWorks inhey, min, tell us a bit more about you.
you said that you had confirmed your identity with another well-known poster on jwd.
can you name that poster?.
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I vote for minimus as most popular, today at least !
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What Is THE Most Important Thing In Your Life?
by minimus inis it love, good health, money, etc.?????????????
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freedom, family, relationships, health (mental, emotional and physical)
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Hi super jw,
I don't know about everyone else, but it's the irresponsible methods of the organization (behavior control, information control, thought control, emotional control) that tipped the scale for me, including research on 607/1914, which I think is crucial to determining the nature of JW teachings.
About the other things you mentioned - I have not fully researched or decided about them. The trinity? I don't know. I think you are wrong to think ex-JWs who leave because they don't like to be lied to have accepted without a doubt ALL of the information that's out there that is Anti-JW. I think if anything, our eyes have been opened to a need for critical thinking and we don't fully accept anything until we can be certain, or come to it from an informed position. You are indicating we are going about this blindly, which I don't think is true. I'm not holding any kind of grudge. I feel that JWs have the right to free speech, get up there and say what you want - it's a free country. Shame on me if I can't see through it.
Your quote "It is apostates who are truly immune to critical thinking - how else could you all accept the nonsense that is being spread about the Jehovah's Witness movement?" You are using the straw man tactic by indicating what my position is, without knowing it. And once again, you haven't proven anything. I'm sorry if this is hard for you, but I'm not buying it.
Anyway, this thread has been fun. I have 2 questions for you:
1 - you said the society is undermining apostates "covertly by other channels. This is effectively under way" - HOW?
2 - you said "That is why I am here - to consult with those who know best how to stop people from leaving and cause freater growth in the medium to long term. " I admire your honesty, but are you delusional or is this just a joke?
Thanks,
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Super JW - - ok. we're warned. I still think you are out here counting your time.
You mentioned that you have rejected many rumors that go against the Watchtower Society from an informed position. I have yet to read where the Watchtower explained any of these counter-arguments. I have only heard apostates "are mislead just as Eve was mislead" (poisoning the well, ad hominem). They are careful NOT to answer these charges against them because they don't want the majority of witnesses to know about this stuff. You said "more and more" of R&F know about the charges against the WT you mentioned, but have you taken a poll to determine how many know about these things? I haven't heard a whisper of it in the KH.
It's true that Witnesses are generally programmed to reject anything they hear that smells like apostacy. But is that logical? To immediately dismiss information that doesn't agree with the Society --- because it doesn't agree with the Society? I feel it warrants an investigation because if they say it's "the truth" then none of this stuff would really hold up, would it? Then why is it against the rules to hear about it and speak freely about it?
I think Witnesses who can dismiss information against the Society without really investigating it are "immune" to more than they think, perhaps they are also immune to critical thinking. I like the analogy you used, comparing the Witnesses to a virus, though. Pretty slick.
I also think that more Witnesses than before are being exposed to new ideas about their religion on the internet, and that could cause at least some of them to question what they've been taught. It has caused me to read the literature with a bit of skepticism and to see the true spirit of what the organization is really all about. And I'm not impressed.
Super jw, you could be right when you say the JW movement is still going strong, but that doesn't prove or disprove anything you mentioned. For those of us that the WTS no longer has any power over, this site is here to offer support and friendship over matters non-JWs don't quite understand, I never had the impression it was looking to overthrow the little WTS empire.
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ok, I'm all confused now...
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Super JW, have you asked yourself what you can do to stop the slowdown in your area? I don't think you can really count your time out here... but I wouldn't be surprised... hey now that's an idea!!!
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Brother Prince Symbolthingy
by gitasatsangha inthis is the war....right on.
the war will go on and on and on.
the war will go on and on.
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Well, good for him. I hope he finds what's been missing in his life. Maybe a brain? Nope, won't find one there.
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Were You A "Kiss-Up" In The Congregation?
by minimus in.
....you know what i mean.
i'm talking about one of those people that always was trying to get "in" with the right people.
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Never... that's probably why I have such a bad attitude. hehehe