All excellent, true comments. Another thread is detailing ways Brooklyn hopes to try to keep the statistics for the USA from looking any worse. Just cosmetics. They see the canyon yawning up at them. In the last 3 or so years they stopped averaging 12 months of publisher activity and just gave the peak month of hours activity. So it says the USA was a 0% growth in 2001 but the real decline was worse. At that the Spanish-speaking congregations in the USA still grew at about 2%. This means the actual growth for English-speaking halls is probably more like -2.5% for 2001 if one goes back to standards then used back in 1992. Jah's Spirit has transferred.
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Watchtower Propaganda
by JosephAlward inmany have argued that articles in awake!
in recent years show that watchtower was letting itself be told what do by the purple beast, namely, promote the united nations in its writings.
i can understand how many might quickly find support for this claim, for there are, indeed, many articles in awake!
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anewperson
The WTS has indeed put out article after after quoting the UN's various branches (UNESCO, WHO etc) in positive manner and the Oct 22, 1998 AWAKE! gives a warm, chummy interview with various UN staffers. Not the Watchtower magazine but its buddy magazine the Awake disseminated the pro-UN stuff. The Watchtower magazine denounced the UN sometimes and meanwhile the Awake played the UN melody, which is hypocrisy. Look closely at the Oct 22, 1998 Awake any who say to the contrary. Randy is correct.
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Doing business with the Evil Slave
by RR ini wouldn't really call this a scandal, just one of those hypocritical games the society loves to play.. bible students have long been dubbed the "evil slave class" as oppose to the society being viewed as the "faithful slave class.
jehovah's witnesses for the most part have been told that bible students are evil, apostate and condemned to death, besically their in the same boat as the un and the rest of babylon the great.
a group to be avoided, so why did the society do business with the evil slave class for so many years?
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anewperson
It is called a love-hate relationship. They cooperate in some things, not in others.
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Turn back on God because of WTS or JW's??
by IWish4Truth inin my opinion, it's one thing to not agree with organizations that impose certain rules upon it's members, but it's quite another to turn one's back on god himself because of disagreements.
is there not still some higher power out there who has the best interest of humans at heart?
how can it be denied, especially in these terrible times, that something or someone is gonna have to step in and take over and end this havoc.
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P.S. The groups are independent but cooperative, sharing Jehovah's Christ as the only overall spritual Leader (Mt 23:10), an arrangment for good order like that which many believe not only most Protestant groups but earliest Christians enjoyed. To request a quick subscription contact [email protected]
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Turn back on God because of WTS or JW's??
by IWish4Truth inin my opinion, it's one thing to not agree with organizations that impose certain rules upon it's members, but it's quite another to turn one's back on god himself because of disagreements.
is there not still some higher power out there who has the best interest of humans at heart?
how can it be denied, especially in these terrible times, that something or someone is gonna have to step in and take over and end this havoc.
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anewperson
The jahchristian egroup emails to about 1,000 exJWs & Friends the Free Christians Newsletter which informs regarding the Watchtower Society but also covers science, archaeology etc, offers epenpal services, helps those interested to form, maintain or join existing non-Watchtower Bible Groups (Round Mountain Free Christians, Ekklesia Christians, Jah Christians, Paducah Area Free Christians etc) or Support Groups that are simply for non-spiritual recovery and friendships in general. The newsletter and other services are all 100% free, readers are NOT obligated to join any group at all although some do -- all belief systems welcome. The website came into existence in mid-2001 but the egroup founders' history dates back to 1998. Main writer-compiler is Troy Brown:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jahchristian
If you like what you see there, follow the instructions and you will soon be getting your own copies to use. A suggested weekly Bible reading etc are included for those wishing unified wholesome spiritual fellowship, though again the emphasis remains on Christian Freedom in Christ (Ro 14:1-5) and you are welcomed regardless of belief system.
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Milton Henschel and the UN helicopter trip
by bj insome weeks ago, someone on this board alleged that milton henschel took profit of the un by using their helicopter.
as you can imagine this is a serious accusation which need to be founded on proof.
therefore, i would like to know what are your sources?
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anewperson
The WTS earns condemnation not because it was an NGO associated with the UN but because it did so even while calling the UN ungodly. That is the raw fact.
You assume that now that it is not officially associated with the UN there are no perks its officials or advocate are still getting. That may or may not be so. There is a possibility that unofficially WTS persons may still be benefitting from the previous contacts.
Maybe not so through the DPI staff with whom you have consulted but via their old-boy network which grew over the 10 year period when they did have the offical association with the UN.
But again, regardless of if they are still getting benefits such as access and a speaking platform on UN Human Rights Commissions hearings and the like, they for a fact did get those even while denouncing the UN!
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Milton Henschel and the UN helicopter trip
by bj insome weeks ago, someone on this board alleged that milton henschel took profit of the un by using their helicopter.
as you can imagine this is a serious accusation which need to be founded on proof.
therefore, i would like to know what are your sources?
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anewperson
So the WTS is still an NGO of the UN but not a DPI associate of the UN? None of this says that Stephan's posting is incorrect. Even without the WTS having had an official liason a high up UN official such as Kofianan could have given Henschel the diplomatic pass.
Mad, the nearly 1000 recipients voluntarily get the emails having the option to click unsubscribe any second, so your saying "spamming" is false. You say your expletives are not profane but they certainly are potty-mouthed.
I will propose that the main Free Christians Newsletter staff query readers if any who are former missionaries and zone overseers can shed any light on this subject.
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Milton Henschel and the UN helicopter trip
by bj insome weeks ago, someone on this board alleged that milton henschel took profit of the un by using their helicopter.
as you can imagine this is a serious accusation which need to be founded on proof.
therefore, i would like to know what are your sources?
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Mad, you are profane as that proves. Stephan has always been highly reputable in material. Always. The German begins by says that MANY CONTACT PERSONS had already confirmed the account.
You mention that the Watchtower Society's AIDAFRIQUE officials are documented in the French WTS's own website to have flown in UNHCR airplanes.
That probably does form the basis for the flurry of rumors about WTS officials using UN aircraft, although an an official Non-Government Organization for 10 years 1991-October 2001 WTS personnell would also have been given flight and diplomatic pass status.
There are about 1,000 exJWs getting Free Christians Newsletters directly sent to them. Nor am I the only person on this board who enjoys the material and who is happy this story was first brought out by Troy Brown and the staff.
Who haven't missed a beat to punch at me since I pointed out the degree to which Judah K Schroeder (son of Albert Schroeder of the Governing Body) involved the WTS in politics.
Everytime you do so you simply give me the opportunity to repeat it, compounding your anguish. Logic is better than emotional profanity.
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Milton Henschel and the UN helicopter trip
by bj insome weeks ago, someone on this board alleged that milton henschel took profit of the un by using their helicopter.
as you can imagine this is a serious accusation which need to be founded on proof.
therefore, i would like to know what are your sources?
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Below is the German material which tells the story of Henschel having a UN diplomatic pass. It is found on sewolf.com/infolink. This is under the Hearsay/Geruechte section over on the far left. About 2 years ago and since then some of have mentioned this posting which is courtesy of webmaster Stephan Wolf who is highly reputable. At no time have I alluded to Henschel being in a helicopter of the UN. Coicindentally though I have heard that there is a picture and maybe more than one of Watchtower persons (missionaries? or officials?) boarding UN aircraft. Perhaps you heard a similar rumor? The thing to do would be to talk to former zone and missionary workers to see if they know anything of it. Here's what Stephan's website said, and by the way Mad, I am rightly proud that we, Jah Christians in the Free Christians movement, brought the first inklings of this story out a couple years ahead of you. It took long enough:
Milton G. Henschel reist mit Un-Diplomatenpass
Wie uns von mehreren Kontaktpersonen mitgeteilt wurde, besitzt Milton G. Henschel, Präsident der Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, nicht etwa einen normalen Reisepass wie du und ich, sondern reist mit einem Diplomatenpass der Vereinten Nationen. Diese Erfahrung soll zumindest ein Zeuge Jehovas gemacht haben, der auf dem Kongress 1998 in München als Ordner diente und dafür sorgen sollte, dass keine unerwünschten Personen in den Bereich hinter der Bühne gelangen. Er berichtete, dass er eine Person angehalten habe, die er nicht persönlich kannte, und sie weisungsgemäß bat, sich auszuweisen. Zu seiner Überraschung zog der Betreffende einen Un-Pas heraus und gab sich damit als der Präsident höchstpersönlich zu erkennen.
Diese Begebenheit ist schon allein aus dem Grund von Bedeutung, weil die WTG nicht müde wird, die Vereinten Nationen als einen Teil von Satans System zu bezeichnen und mit "dem Bildnis des wilden Tieres" aus Offenbarung zu vergleichen.
Dazu kommt, dass es rund um die WTG immer wieder Nachrichten gibt, die sich mit einer Religionsgemeinschaft, die nach eigenen Angaben "kein Teil dieser Welt" ist, absolut nicht in Einklang steht. Zum Beispiel war die WTG 1997 Teil einer Abordnung von US-Firmen, die in die Volksrepublik China reisten, um sich dort unter dem recht fadenscheinigen Stichwort "Umweltschutz" als weltweites religiöses Verlagsimperium einzuführen (siehe Rubrik INTERNATIONAL). Auch die immer deutlicher erkennbare gemeinsame Auftritt mit anderen Sekten lässt erkennen, dass die WTG offensichtlich nicht das ist, was sie nach außen zu sein scheint.
Misstrauisch machen auch die Berichte ehemaliger Sonderpioniere, die zur Zeit des kalten Krieges als Touristen getarnt zu konspirativen Treffs nach Russland reisten, angeblich um Bibeln zu schmuggeln. Auch wird davon berichtet, dass die WTG in Deutschland von den Amerikanern schon kurz nach Kriegsende in Wiesbaden einen Teil einer Kaserne zur Verfügung gestellt bekamen und über eine direkte Telefonverbindung zum amerikanischen Hauptquartier verfügten. Vergünstigungen, die ganz bestimmt nicht ohne Gegenleistung zugestanden wurden.
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10 REASONS WHY JWS STAY IN THE TOWER
by Victor_E inreason 1. jws use a cultic language that keeps them in a constant state of social hypnosis.
transformational grammar teaches that our language directly affects our subjective experience.
in working with some former jws i had to confiscate certain words and have them create substitutes for something that was more neutral.
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Sounds logical but is incorrect. When INFORMED many do leave. As Christ said the Truth will set you free. 100% truthful information including that there are alternatives like groups of Free Christians is often all that JWs need to become exJWs. Sometimes not immediately but later. Problem is we need a huge database of their emails and real-world addresses to better inform.