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  A knock on my door- and I'm still shaking

  by cyber-sista in

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  just had a witness encounter and it shook me and i'm not sure why.

  a pioneer sister just came to my door.

  she has a very sweet personality--she started off with a hug.

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  cyber-sista

  Let's face it, we abhor the JW religion and we have intimate memories of how we were personally fooled and subdued.

  I think that is part of it. Trying to explain it to my hubby today who was never JW--it was hard for him to understand why it shook me so--he said "afterall you used to believe the same way too". While I was never as rabidly JW as this sister who called on me I was JW nonetheless, which is probably one of the reasons it did disturb me so is how I explained it to him. I used to be an Org drone too. Any of you Star Trek Voyager fans out there you can relate this to the whole 7 of 9 situation--remember how disturbing it was when she got close to the Borg again after being separated from the collective?

  BTW how did this all get posted under "entertainment." Was that my doing?
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  A knock on my door- and I'm still shaking

  by cyber-sista in

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  just had a witness encounter and it shook me and i'm not sure why.

  a pioneer sister just came to my door.

  she has a very sweet personality--she started off with a hug.

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  cyber-sista

  I have only been away from the meetings for about a year now. The therapist that I am seeing just reminded me that 5 months ago when I first came to see him I was in a state of shock and suffering from post traumatic stress syndrome, because of the stress I had been put under by those "loving shepherd" elders and also the stress of pulling away from the Org collective. I have come a long way since then and this board has helped me a lot. You're right Danny--it is some pretty creepy stuff. Seeing people with their souls sucked out of them is the kind of stuff horror movies are made up of.
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  A knock on my door- and I'm still shaking

  by cyber-sista in

  1. jw
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  just had a witness encounter and it shook me and i'm not sure why.

  a pioneer sister just came to my door.

  she has a very sweet personality--she started off with a hug.

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  cyber-sista

  Just had a witness encounter and it shook me and I'm not sure why. A pioneer sister just came to my door. She has a very sweet personality--she started off with a hug. She brought along old sister Alzheimers with her for protection. I stood like a deer in the headlights as she rambled on and told me how she wanted to let me know that I was welcome to join them at the upcoming assembly. I very nicely told her that I wouldn't be going, but she pretended to not hear me and just rambled on. She told me about the drama and who would be performing it. She told me about young brother so-in-so who just got back on working at a big Walkill project and how much he loved it and all the wonderful things he learned about the Org being there. She told me they now have a swimming pool and pools tables for the workers there now and how he got together in the evening after a very long hard day of work to have fine association with the brothers there and how loving and wonderful Jehovah's Org (the thing is I know this kid and also heard he was miserable and called home everyday wanting to come home early). She told me that maybe he would even make this his career now and what a a wonderful opportunity it was for him. In the end she emphasized the point to me that what this kid learned while being there is HOW IMPORTANT PERSONAL STUDY IS. She told me about how the Organization has sold their property in NY and moved all their printing facilities upstate for safety reasons.

  I just stood there rather sick to my stomach not knowing what to say as she droned on and on about brother so-in-sos latest talk, etc, etc... She didn't ask me about what I had been up to or what my problem was--she just tried to encourage me by all the wonderful things I was missing out on and acted like I was still a part of it. This is a woman who has dedicated her whole life to the cause--she's been pioneering for 30 plus years, never had any children because of her dedication to God--didn't get married until she was in her mid 40s. But I didn't know what to say. I was speachless. She told me how wonderful it was to see me and how she would stop by and check on me from time to time. I did decline to take the magazines, which she offered me with a presentation--I told her I could read them on line and was rather vague about it (I'm sure she will tell her elder husband about me being online) they are both total paranoids about the internet. Sometimes I wish I was Dfd when I have these encounters as they still shake me up for some reason. This woman was so totally oblivious of my thoughts and obvious feelings--in order to get through to her I would have to hit her over the head. This woman would die if she knew the truth about the Org--she is so far gone she has no mind of her own--she is a total Org drone--a puppet and I pity her, but she still seems happy in her little WT world--so I must leave her there. I know this doesn't sound all that scary, so why am I still shaking?
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  Spiritual Search Had Consequences

  by Brymichmom in

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  cyber-sista

  (((((((((((Roy)))))))))))))))

  This is too sad. You gave up a lot for what you truly believe, but like somebody here told me from the beginning if you are not true to yourself then you are nobody. I too applaud you for standing up for what you truly knew in your heart. The best to you always,

  cybs
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  On Shunning

  by Sunspot in

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  the command of men to practice shunning is cruel and heartless, as we all know.

  it tears people up from the heart and hurts everyone involved.. the rigidity and "uptightness" of believing that only you have the "right way" to god, and that being warm and cordial to someone who has left your religion, or attending another church service is going to "cost you" (god will getcha for that---or the elders will) in some way....is so self-limiting.. we all have the right to the pursuit of happiness and to find a faith that renews and motivates us to be our best.

  being humans and experiencing growth all the while we are "here", what may be just the "ticket" for us personally at one stage in our life---may not fulfill the same needs a number of years later.. it is not fair that a belief system ( or religious leaders) rather than being a comfort or a teacher any longer, should have the right to keep a "hold" on any person because they choose to move on to another form of worship to the same god.. this flies in the face of what we hold dear in this country and in most others, being forever captive to men who believe that they have the right or the power to penalize ones for the rest of their lives for walking away from their religion.

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  cyber-sista

  Gary, I have always been touched by the story of you trying to get your little kid some rainbow lifesavers at the assembly--seems like they were trying to take away the last little bit of joy in a little kids life--can see why this was a turning point for you Gary--I think on a deeper level it represents so many things that are so horribly wrong with the Org. I think you could make an interesting analogy out of it Man that one always makes me want to cry--really.,

  The other thing that always screams out to me loud and clear when reading the posts and topics (and with my own situation from one congo to another) is how disorganized and not unified this Org is. The rules change from country to country--state to state and congo to congo. United in Worship--not.
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  Would You Outlaw Jehovah's Witnesses If You Had The Power?

  by minimus in

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  as much as i believe that the witnesses are a "cult", i don't think i'd choose to legally ban them.

  what about you?

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  cyber-sista

  I don't think the JWs should be outlawed, but some of their practices should not be permitted.

  The WT is breaking more than a few laws of the land and should be charged with: 1. False advertising 2. Deception 3. slander 4. endangerment 5. indentured servitude etc......
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  On Shunning

  by Sunspot in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the command of men to practice shunning is cruel and heartless, as we all know.

  it tears people up from the heart and hurts everyone involved.. the rigidity and "uptightness" of believing that only you have the "right way" to god, and that being warm and cordial to someone who has left your religion, or attending another church service is going to "cost you" (god will getcha for that---or the elders will) in some way....is so self-limiting.. we all have the right to the pursuit of happiness and to find a faith that renews and motivates us to be our best.

  being humans and experiencing growth all the while we are "here", what may be just the "ticket" for us personally at one stage in our life---may not fulfill the same needs a number of years later.. it is not fair that a belief system ( or religious leaders) rather than being a comfort or a teacher any longer, should have the right to keep a "hold" on any person because they choose to move on to another form of worship to the same god.. this flies in the face of what we hold dear in this country and in most others, being forever captive to men who believe that they have the right or the power to penalize ones for the rest of their lives for walking away from their religion.

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  cyber-sista

  I was baptized in 1982 and studied for a few years before that. The shunning thing wasn't then as it is today. The way I understood it then (or so I was lead to believe) is that if you don't live like a JW you can no longer be called a JW or allowed to particpate in certain religious activities, though you were always welcome to attend the meetings. As far as Dfd family members I was told that your family is family and family business continued on as usual. I think the congo I first attended was pretty liberal as far as JW doctrine and a lot of the WT doctrine was candy-coated in order to attrack new members. From what I hear things have changed a lot in that area too. The congo members have changed several times over and few original ones are left there. Same with the last congo I attended. I have noticed that JWs in the areas I have been tend to move around a lot and complain about the last congo they were in --how it was having problems in one way or another, so the imperfect congo was blamed and not the WT Org who controlls the whole mess.

  Kind of tricky too how they don't give you that little theocratic rule book (was it Organized to accomplish our ministry?) until after you get baptized. I didn't get a KM until after I was bapitized either, even though I had studied and gone to meetings for a few years.I think the hard and fast rules are hidden until you're already in too deep--shunning being one of them.
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  My bible study conductor deceived me with this point.

  by cyber-sista in

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  this is something that has always bothered me and now i can see what a deception it was.

  a jw woman studied with me on and off for about 3 years before i got baptized.

  eventually i got baptized at a weaker moment in my life (suffering from major post partum depression) you don't want your child to die at the big a do you?-- was one line of thinking that was used on me.. the deception was this: during the time i was studying she never told me the truth about the whole unbelieving mate situation, though i specifically asked what would happen to my mate if the big a came and he never became a joe witness--?

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  cyber-sista

  Birthdays are not mentioned until the 13th chapter of the Knowledge book which is 2/3 of the way through the book. Thus a foundation of the resurrection of loved ones, living on a paradise earth, and being in the "last days" has already been established.

  Yes, and by that time they have you hooked. They have baited you along with all those marvelous hopes: the ressurection, paradise earth, etc, etc. By that time something like a birthday celebration seems a very insignifigant thing to give up in light of this whole panacea of a belief system. Eventually you learn that you have to give up much much more than that, but by that time the grip is tighter and you are already too deeply entrenched. So you get baptized and blindly follow along with the program...until one fine day... when something snaps...
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  My bible study conductor deceived me with this point.

  by cyber-sista in

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  this is something that has always bothered me and now i can see what a deception it was.

  a jw woman studied with me on and off for about 3 years before i got baptized.

  eventually i got baptized at a weaker moment in my life (suffering from major post partum depression) you don't want your child to die at the big a do you?-- was one line of thinking that was used on me.. the deception was this: during the time i was studying she never told me the truth about the whole unbelieving mate situation, though i specifically asked what would happen to my mate if the big a came and he never became a joe witness--?

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  cyber-sista

  That was an old teaching, cybersista. She might have been one of those who refused to see the "new light." I will try and find it for you. But they are deceptive. I can remember being told not to talk about blood transfusions with my students.

  Blondie

  This was back in the early 1980s and she was a younger sister in her mid 20s. Later on it was explained to me that yes, the marriage was sanctified while my hubby was alive (so I was not living in sin), but once the big A came along we all stood before God on our own.

  A couple of years ago my daughter was told by the elders that if she married an unbeliever (though she was not a witness herself, but guilty by my association with them through me) that it would be a "sin" for her to marry--is this the "new light" now?

  I remember being told not to "flounder" those newly interested ones with too much spiritual food (information) because they aren't ready yet to take in the "meat "and we need to feed them milk at first or they could get "spiritual indigestion". In other words--don't tell them the whole story at once because it might make them sick to hear about what the religion really teaches.
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  POST YOUR REALLY HARD JW QUESTIONS HERE SO I CAN CALL BRANCH

  by tresbella in

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  i plan to call up the branch office and pose as an 'interested one' and ask a bunch of difficult questions i am almost positive no jw witness will be able to ansewr.

  1. if the supposed "light is getting brighter" then does that not mean that it is possile that many of the teachings that the society is teaching now may be false such as blood transfusions and the 1914 teaching?

  2. since any witness who speaks against the wt and refutes one of their teachings and is therefore disfellowshipped for it, what if the very teaching that they spoke against turned out to be wrong later on?

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  cyber-sista

  sweetp

  Because they are:

  hyp.o.crite /hippekrit/ n. somebody who gives a false appearance of having admirable principles, beliefs or feelings.nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. Greek hupokrites "actor, pretender"