because the old crabby men in Brooklyn have gotten senile--they've even forgotten what the WT religion's original premise was.
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Public Meeting Talks.
by Blueblades inthe list of talk titles listed by subject have very few public talks on the kingdom.
i have 116 talks in my possession and under kingdom / paradise only 4 talks out of 21 mention the kingdom in this section.
how can they say that they are publicy announcing jehovah's kingdom when their public talks don't give it priority?.
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It Seems That My Children Are Not Trained
by Gary1914 ini just returned home from the kingdom hall.
i am an elder.. after the meeting all the elders were called to the back room.
i thought this was an impromptu elders' meeting.
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There was always the pressure to conform to a standard that none of us can ever live up to. Is it any wonder why so many Witnesses are suffering from mental illness?
cybs
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It Seems That My Children Are Not Trained
by Gary1914 ini just returned home from the kingdom hall.
i am an elder.. after the meeting all the elders were called to the back room.
i thought this was an impromptu elders' meeting.
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Gary a part of the problem with the WT organization is that the old men in charge don't have normal family lives. They live in nice apartments in NY and their every need is cared for (food, medical, financial, etc). They don't have to work or make a living and they don't understand normal family life. And, I also really believe that some of them don't even like women. The last CO in the congo I attended was single and really didn't seem to like women or have any understanding of marriage or having children. So, I really believe that many of those at the top don't really have a clue about family life. I also think they are old and crabby.
I am so sorry you are suffering from anxiety. Many of us were so heavily pressured by the WT Org we ended up leaving in order to preserve ourselves and our families. It is not too late Gary. You need a rest--your wife too. Don't let them push you--listen to your needs and the needs of your family.
Wishing you all good things,
aloha,
cybs
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messed up from the dubs
by acuragirl indoes anyone think that the alot of x -dubs or even dubs still active have or end up having mental problems or mental illness,i think so personally.
i think its how i ended up with my anxiety problems.i just want to know what everyone thinks about this subject.
any thoughts?
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Aloha thesethreewords. Glad you landed here. It is a good place to sort stuff out and be heard. I came here almost 2 years and would say reading through these posts and just knowing that I was not alone in my thoughts was a great comfort to me.Acuragirl...I do believe that part of the problem is that many adult mentally and emotionally disturbed people are attracted to the JWs. I was at a weak point in my life when I was at first contacted by them suffering from post-partum depression. Their little mantra to me then was "You do want your baby to live don't you?" (in otherwords not to die at Armegedon) Of course I did and being paranoid from the depression really fed those thoughts.
The WT has for years discouraged those with real problems from seeking proffesssional (worldly help).. the elders themselves play their 2-bit psycologist roles blaming a persons mental anquish on everything from not going out in service or studying enough to demon attack. I heard of one woman who was having mental problems and the elders went to her house and burned all her stuff up thinking some of her possesions were causing demon attacks. In the last congo I was in there was a sister who was always seeing things (classic schizophrenic symtoms) but she and the congo all blamed it on the demons.
I am sorry that you are suffering from anxiety. Some people are more prone to it than others, but Wt conditioning can make even the calmest person feel anxious after a while. You can condition yourself to be less anxious by practicing breathing tecniques. Many therapists will help you with a program such as this--biofeedback is another avenue. I was greatly helped by a psycologist in this way. Hope things start to feel easier for you. Keep working on it. It takes time, but you can heal.
Hugs,
cybs
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messed up from the dubs
by acuragirl indoes anyone think that the alot of x -dubs or even dubs still active have or end up having mental problems or mental illness,i think so personally.
i think its how i ended up with my anxiety problems.i just want to know what everyone thinks about this subject.
any thoughts?
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Yes! A large percentage of JWs I knew were on meds. There are past posts on this subject. The WT promotes paranoid delusional thinking and this creates a lot of anxiety in its followers. The stories on this subject go on and on. I am still putting myself back together after my 20+ years of association. I finally had to leave as it had become so unhealthy for me and my family to be involved. It is crazy making stuff the WT subjects its members to.
Take care--there is life after the WT,
cybs
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It Seems That My Children Are Not Trained
by Gary1914 ini just returned home from the kingdom hall.
i am an elder.. after the meeting all the elders were called to the back room.
i thought this was an impromptu elders' meeting.
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I sometimes wish I had the courage to just get up and leave. Especially since I no longer believe the majority of stuff they teach. However, I have too much family tied up in this organization and I just cannot extricate myself from the witnesses now
Gary, this is the most touching post I have read in a long time and one that is close to my heart. I think a lot of us can understand what you are saying here, but please,please listen to your natural instincts as a parent and a father and protect your children and your wife--put them first and foremost in your life--you may give others the courage to do the same. Think about the witness families you know today. Very few of the children my daugher grew up with remained witnesses. We attended 2 different congos over the years in 2 states and knew JW families in nearby communities also. Many have serious mental problems--many families are torn apart by the WT Dfing policy. The WT serioulsy affected my family. My relationship with my unbelieving parents, brother, husband and brother was strained. I have had to apologize to them all--too late for my mother though, as she has passed away. I apologized to my daughter in tears for raising her as a witness--and for all the things she lost out on during her childhood because of it. I had to leave the WT org because I loved her and wanted to keep her in my life. So many have allowed the WT to take their children from them. Gary and this has caused tremendous suffering by all. My sister had a breakdown after her first son left the Org and went on medication. She seems rather numb now after her next 2 sons have left. The kids are all suffering too--being rejected by your parents is a very deep hurt and they cover it by drinking a lot of alcohol. Do you really want to keep training your kids and then have to pressure them into baptism into a religious organization that you don't really believe in yourself? It only gets harder with time and the decisions become more complicated as they grow up. You are not alone.
cybs
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It Seems That My Children Are Not Trained
by Gary1914 ini just returned home from the kingdom hall.
i am an elder.. after the meeting all the elders were called to the back room.
i thought this was an impromptu elders' meeting.
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this is creapy stuff. I raised my daughter up in the "truth." She was a good kid--never caused any problems. I was married to an unbeliever and thinking that since I would not have my mate to help me raise my kids in the "truth" I limited the size of my family and had only have one child, because then I would be able to give her my best (training her in the "truth"). She grew up to be a smart kid and when she got to the age where she was expected to make her decision and "make the truth her own" the pressure by the elders was on) but she decided she could not and wanted to go to college, marry someone who was not a JW, etc.( the brothers her age at our hall were dumb as rocks and the two her age had already been to the mental institution (seriously)
I respected her decisions, but then was hauled into the back room and told that this was not the way it goes. Because I was the believing parents she should be expected to be obiedient to me and because I was not demanding that she serve the Org I was not being a good parent or example and that I should put my foot down and show my disappoval of her. Also when she did marry I should then treat her as an unbeliever and worldly association to me, or in otherwords treat her and her husband like crap. Of course my unbelieving husband had no say in any matter and they even wanted to come over and talk to him about our daughter. I said NO! and put my foot down. After 20 years of being a JW-bot I got out of there quick and preserved my family--I could not allow the ones I love to be abused by the WT. My sister has lost 3 of her sons now (they are no longer JW) so she can't communicate with them. Too many people have lost their kids because of this religion. I would advice to get out quick. Your kids are young--and believe me they won't miss it a bit.
Sorry if I am sounding a bit heavy here. I can only give advice from the standpoint of my own experience. I hope you can find your way. Love your kids unconditionally and treat them with respect--this is the best gift you can give them.
The best to you,
cybs
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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 12-4-05 WT Study (Shepherd)
by blondie injehovah is our shepherd .
"jehovah is my shepherd.
" he said to him: "shepherd my little sheep.
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Yes, as long as we stay close to Jehovah, he will care for us as a loving Shepherd "to the
length of days," even to all eternity. However, as his sheep, we have the
responsibility to walk with our great Shepherd, Jehovah. What this involves will
be discussed in the next article.Oh, Oh sounds like next week the axe is gonna fall. This is how the WT works--first they give you the kindly soft hearted stuff and then wammo they hit you with the heavy hard stuff (guilt, blame, etc) I have heard of the elders referring it as the sandwich--they give you the soft bread on either side (the encouragement) and then the heavy meat of the matter in the middle (the councel). Kind of blew me away when I heard this "sandwich" term. It is a powerful conditioning tecnique. The WT uses it regularly.
thanks blondie,
cybs
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Mind Control in the Watchtower
by SYN inintroduction .
having been a witness for many, many years, about 15 to be exact, i just thought i'd explain a few things for new-comers to this site about what it's like to be a "dub".
"dub" is just a convenient shorthand for "jehovah's witness", and is not meant to be derogatory, but i think i will stick to calling them witnesses here for the sake of people visiting during the furore upon whose brink we are sitting.. much of those early years i don't really remember.
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The Governing Body’s flip-flopping on, amongst other things, the blood and organ transplant doctrines, have caused real, honest people to DIE. You can’t pussy-foot around this fact. To make it worse, they have NEVER EVER publicly atoned for their gross, murderous misconduct – they are in the perfect ivory tower. Their word is law in the Organization.
excellent point...And if I presented this paragraph to a JW how would they respond? Please help me with this--would they say...
The light has become brighter?
It was a test of true faith, so these faithful ones did not die in vain?
Wait on Jehovah and he will give us the answer at the proper time?
thank god none of my family ever needed a transfusion during my dub days. would I have let my only child die for the WT? The thought horrifies me to this day. I no longer communicate with my JW sister (her choice) and I think maybe I should just back away and let her be, but she still has 2 little children. sometimes I feel torn--if I never say anything about the WT and how screwed up they are and something happens to one of her children because of it how will I feel? From what I hear about her kids they both appear depressed--sis is depressed too and paranoid--all most of us know this religion breeds mental illness in people. Maybe I should just say my piece and walk away. Don't know...
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process of deprogramming
by nicbic inmy first post - hi!.
i have a read a lot of posts though on here.. i was wondering if anyone could tell me (i'm a non jw) if there are any procedures that can help to plant seeds of doubt in my close jw friend's mind - she has been one since birth, was inactive for a time and went back in full force.
now - she says she is unhappy but i think she has just gone back in due to family ties, i think with some support she could change her mind.
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Personally, if a person is interested in denying reality and going against reason by being a Witness, I am not very interested in them. My life is kinda over full of people I am interested in, people I like, people who show me they like me. I'm gonna spend my time and resources on them.
Thanks Gary for the direct perspective. I have been thinking of writing my JW sister this morning, but I don't know what to say to her anymore. We have not communicated for several months--she doesn't want to talk with me because I am not an active JW anymore. I guess I should face the reality that as long as she chooses to have the WT as a mediator between us it is impossible for us to have a relationship. Sad, but true. The good news is there are lots of other people around who want to be my friends and family. Time to let go...
cybs