Posts by MorpheuzX

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The Governator and civil disobedience

by Phantom Stranger in

i guess we can't break the law unless a good smoke is at stake...

http://slate.msn.com/id/2096338/

in a feb. 13 new york times piece, charlie leduff

MorpheuzX

I know I should be over this by now, as it's old news. But I have to say that I'm still in "shock and awe" everytime I hear or see Governor Schwarzenegger! I still can't get over the breath-taking display of stupidity manifested by the Caliornia recall voters who installed the star of 'The Last Action Hero' in the state's highest public office.

As for Arnold's new found sense of "morality", I suggest anyone who buys into the crock of you know what to examine the August 1977 edition of QUI magazine -- it presents a much more accurate insight into the mind of a man who is clearly not what he presently claims to be.

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Aug 15, 1996 - A cause for celebration?

by Nosferatu in

i was doing some work on my autobiography last night and i wanted to look something up.

august 15, 1996 was a very special day for me (although i didn't realize it at the time).

it was the last jw meeting i ever attended.

MorpheuzX

Hey Nosferatu, sounds like we both quit the borg at almost exactly the same time. I was a baptized auxiliary pioneer. Unlike you, I have no clue what the date of my last meet was. I do know, however, I attended it in street clothes, sang the kingdom melodies loud enough for even the deaf brothers sitting in the front row to hear, fidgeted through a Thursday night meeting listening to the usual nonsense -- but this time with an open mind, and walked out the door of that kingdom hall a free man. That was back in 1996 and I've never been back. A couple of day later I wrote a DA'd letter and that was that.

We both must have been about 18 when we left. What a way to waste your teens, wasn't it?

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Remember Dateline??

by Joyzabel in

i'm trying to get some comments that active jehovah's witnesses may have heard after dateline aired back on may 28, 2002.

do you remember any comments made about the dateline program either made from the platform at the kingdom hall, or in private conversations with other jw's?

how were the people who where on dateline viewed in your area, especially at the kingdom hall or by other jws?

MorpheuzX

Silly question perhaps and sorry if it was already answered but is there anywhere online to get a copy of that particular Dateline episode? I've heard a lot about it and the subject touches close to home for me.

By the time that Dateline episode aired I had already been out of the borg for around half a decade. But all my immediate family are still in. Anybody know where I can find a copy?

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Jesus demands creative control over next movie

by Winston Smith :>D in

MorpheuzX

I preferred when he convereted to Islam.

http://www.theonion.com/onion3513/christ_islam.html

Isn't The Onion great?

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Most Popular JW Jobs???

by Funchback in

what are some of the more popular jobs jws seem to flock to in your opinion?

personally, the latest trend in my area is school bus driver as well as school bus monitor.

i can think of six jws who drive school buses and two who are monitors.

MorpheuzX

Quite a few of the witnesses in my old congregation operated small businesses -- office cleaning, rug cleaning. Most the of the men worked as unskilled laborers in factories. Of the woman that did work, generally single sisters, temp agencies seemed to be the only places willing to hire them.

I did know one particularly bright fellow who was a licensed psychologist. But, he didn't practice.

I'd say on average my old congregation had roughly 120 regular publishers and I think maybe between 2 to 5 of those people actually had a college degree to their name -- compare that to the general public.

To this day I'm still astounded that I was bamboozled by a bunch of menial-job having nincompoops. Of course in my defense, I was only a child at the time.

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Why does it have to be gay "marriage?"

by spiritwalker in

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friends

i know this a hot topic, but i had some thinking on it i wanted to discuss.

to begin, i have nothing against a gay man or lesbian woman and consider many to be friends.

i would also like to express from the beginning in plain thought, "i think gay unions should be legal and do not see why it matters.".

MorpheuzX

Golf, I quoted all those scriptures as evidence that what some people think of as the biblical and historical definition of marriage (one man and one woman) is completely off the mark.

So my question to you is this, if you want to so rigidly cling to your definition of marriage, then do you also approve of polygamy? Remember Malachi 3:6, god doesn't change. And god's people practiced it for well over a thousand years. So is that okay according to you? Should there be laws allowing it in all 50 states?

Second question taking this issue in a slightly different direction, Exodus 21:15-17 grant parents permission to kill their children.

Exodus 21:15 He who strikes his father or his mother shall surely be put to death.

Exodus 21:17 He who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death.

So tell me golf, do you think that's okay, too? Maybe we should codify that into law just because it's in the bible.

If anybody reading this is wondering what the whole point of this post is so far, it's this -- The bible is an interesting book, but that doesn't mean we should base our system of jurisprudence on it.

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Why does it have to be gay "marriage?"

by spiritwalker in

jw
friends

i know this a hot topic, but i had some thinking on it i wanted to discuss.

to begin, i have nothing against a gay man or lesbian woman and consider many to be friends.

i would also like to express from the beginning in plain thought, "i think gay unions should be legal and do not see why it matters.".

MorpheuzX

It often amuses me that the same people who watch and are entertained by shows like Joe Millionaire, the Bachelor and the Bachelorette -- all of which completely debase and undermine marriage -- are often vehemently opposed to gay marriage. (Apparently it's okay to make a mockery of marriage on national television for the amusement of millions of viewers, but only if straight people are doing it.)

Spiritwalker, I agree with part of your statement, in specific on the semantics or wording of the acknowledgment of the gay/lesbian unions. Perhaps civil-unions are the best real-world solution to this dispute. I'm certainly not a constitutional scholar, but separate is not equal (May 17th, 1954 Supreme Court ruling in the case Brown vs. Board of Education.) Calling one relationship a gay union and another a marriage carries with it both a denotative and connotative disparity in meaning.

As for changing the biblical and historical definition of marriage, I don't think the fundamentalist have a leg to stand on in that regard. Let's not forget the that most of the first biblical marriages were polygamous -- and approved of by god, i.e., Abraham, Solomon, David all had multiple wives.

For the benefit of all you bible-thumpers out there that think I'm making that up, I suggest you read the following verses:

Exodus 21:10

If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights.

2 Samuel 5:13

After he left Hebron, David took more concubines and wives in Jerusalem, and more sons and daughters were born to him.

1 Kings 11:3

He (Solomon) had seven hundred wives of royal birth and three hundred concubines, and his wives led him astray.

2 Chronicles 11:21

Rehoboam loved Maacah daughter of Absalom more than any of his other wives and concubines. In all, he had eighteen wives and sixty concubines, twenty-eight sons and sixty daughters.

Deuteronomy 21:15

If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love,

In fact the only place in the new testament that limits the amount of wives a man can have is in 1 Timothy 3:2 & 3:12, and Paul applies those limitation only to deacons and overseers.

Just one more bible quote before I put my bible away, Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not;

Does that mean god is still okay with polygamy?

So biblically, is marriage between one man and one woman or one man and many woman? I think the evidence above is pretty clear. As a culture we've rejected the bible's polygamous definition of marriage. So, why are we so timid to allow gays and lesbians to be married?

I think we should endeavor to show tolerance and mercy to these persons. I can't help thinking about what this rather smart guy once said about how to deal with other people: "Blessed are those who mourn, For they shall be comforted. Blessed are the merciful, For they shall obtain mercy. Blessed are the pure in heart, For they shall see God. Blessed are the peacemakers, For they shall be called sons of God."

Sorry if I sermonized, I just think Jesus was a lot more compassionate and understanding than most people give him credit for and that all humans should have equal rights, including the right to marry whomever they love.

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Anybody from NEPA?

by MorpheuzX in

this might be the wrong place to write this, sorry if it is.

but are there any here that associated with the hazleton or wilkes-barre congregations in pennslyvania?

i da'd in 1996 and was hoping maybe some of my old friends would be here.

MorpheuzX

This might be the wrong place to write this, sorry if it is. But are there any here that associated with the Hazleton or Wilkes-Barre Congregations in Pennslyvania?

I DA'd in 1996 and was hoping maybe some of my old friends would be here.

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Are you going to the memorial

by lillost in

i was asked by my mother today "are you going to the memorial this year".

i declined most graciously and said thank you for thinking of me, and although i haven't been for the last eight years i thought no more of the ritual invitation.. then suddenly it dawned on me that my mothers response was quite abrupt and something along the lines of "well i have done my christian duty by asking you".

it was if she was literally washing the blood from her hands and she had tried to save me yet again.. has anyone else experienced this my mother has always talked to me with all civility about the "truth", i just wondered if there is new counsel now in how to deal with daughters and family that have fallen by the wayside.. appreciate your help.

MorpheuzX

I haven't been to the memorial since 1996 and have no intention of ever again being amongst that den of vipers.

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What "CAUSES" a molested child to hurt? (Warning: Possible Triggers)

by gumby in

when a child is molested, they suffer in many ways through their years as we all know.

my question is......what tells them it is not right?

how do they know that they have been abused?

MorpheuzX

I'm a very hesitant to write this; I'm just shocked by some of the questions I've read on this thread. How could you even ask if a child being molested enjoys it? I know I sure didn't.

I'm a male. I grew up in a family of devout JWs and when I was about 7, an uncle, who was not in the ?truth?, molested me. Even then I knew what he was doing to me was wrong. Enjoy it? It hurt terribly and felt like he was crushing me. I couldn't breathe, due to him being on top of me and having his hand over my mouth for most of it.

Without getting into any more disgusting, salacious detail, let's just say he finished in my mouth. And to this day, almost 20 years later, I still have nightmares about it. Usually a few times a month, sometimes a few times a week, I'll have a nightmare about having that disgusting filth in my mouth and trying desperately to get it out, spit it out, rinse it out, but I never can. Usually I wake up from that dream and have to brush my teeth over and over again. I know it sounds crazy.

As for emotionally, I don't think I've ever really been able to trust another person and I doubt that'll ever change. I feel like the parts of me that could've loved and trusted were shredded by what he did. I don't know if that answers any of your questions, just my experience.