Posts by Incognito

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I'm Catholic and madly in love with a Jehovah Witness...

by Luge62 in

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friends

we are madly in love with each other and she is in the process of being divorced.

let me make one thing clear i'm not the reason for the divorce.

she attempted to reconcile with him but to no avail.

Incognito

Welcome!

The comments here are mostly from once active JWs. Well they maybe hard to accept, the comments are honest and are based upon knowledge and experience in JW doctrine and practices.

While some have advocated assisting your girlfriend to escape the JW religion, in all actuality, unless she realizes for herself that the JW religion is not "The Truth", there will always be potential that she will return to it even if she does not practice for some time.

While you or anyone else could present endless evidence proving the religion to be wrong, most JWs will only ignore the information and will resent the presenter for attempting to offer it.

With regard to JWs being married to 'non-believers', there have been endless WT/Awake articles and sermons on the topic of marriage, particularly regarding not to even consider dating a non-believer. One statement made at a circuit assembly, compared a JW kissing a non-JW spouse to kissing a 'corpse' since JWs believe that non-JWs will be exterminated at armageddon.

While there can always be examples presented where a JW & non-JW marriage was successful, those are uncommon. While a mixed religion marriage may always present a challenge, the JW religion is most often assured to create a problem for reasons already mentioned.

While you may hope that it won't be, I think in the background, you realize your girlfriend's religion will be a problem in your relationship otherwise, you wouldn't be here asking for input and support.

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What would you do if the Society Declares Bankruptcy

by Quarterback in

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special pioneers let go.

bethel workers laid off.

construction halts, what's next?

Incognito

DOC asked"

Did the WTS really "take ownership" of all Kingdom Halls?

That is something I had asked about previously but didn't receive a response.

If WT has not taken ownership, is it possible that it could in the future?

As I believe any existing loans were set-up as a mortgage, was that mortgage set-up so that the real property asset is indicated on a contract as security for that mortgage and is the mortgage listed on-title?

Edited to add: Since loans were 'forgiven', if a mortgage is on-title for a KH property, was that mortgage considered paid and removed from the title registry or is a mortgage still considered outstanding and could be used to take ownership?

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What would you do if the Society Declares Bankruptcy

by Quarterback in

jw
friends

special pioneers let go.

bethel workers laid off.

construction halts, what's next?

Incognito

The thought had long crossed my mind in agreement with those who posted mentioning stockpiling and hiding money while claiming lack of funds.

Consider the income alone from the NY real estate. With the sell off of those prime properties, wouldn't it be a great time to take the money and run? Added to that is the income from the sale of other branches around the world.

Of course, taking that money by those at the top would be illegal, but what if matters could be arranged so as to appear that WT is insolvent and no longer has enough followers to support an existence?

The various changes recently being made seem to be intended to anger the R&F, possibly hoping many will leave as a result.

The current claim of 8 million JWs I suspect is inflated.

While it is unlikely that all R&F will leave, the numbers could become so small so as to support a claim of insufficient donations to support printing anything or to justify KHs, AHs or branches.

With 'forgiving' KH loans and then taking ownership, sizeable additional income could be realized from the sale of those properties and no one would oppose if there are no longer enough JWs to justify owning or maintaining those properties. A pretence could then be made that any remaining JWs can 'associate' through attendance in on-line meetings which could be streamed in various languages from central locations. Of course, many JWs left on their own will not bother or only do so sporadically.

While WT did buy Walkill, the land is apparently contaminated which was very likely known prior to purchase. Although construction of a building was started, it could be a pretence of progress as it could be claimed that it can't be finished due to site contamination. WT could profess a major financial loss even if not much was actually expended.

With the current claims of insufficient donations, it could then be professed that there is not enough money for another site for a World Headquarters so it appears that it is 'Jehovah's will' that it not be built. Of course with no headquarters and a pretence of insufficient donations, the online meetings could no longer be afforded so they too would stop.

As WT is a corporation, it would no doubt have Directors identified as shareholders. Since WT is a worldwide organization, if it were to claim insolvency or arrange matters so as to appear as so, but if all debts were paid, what would occur with any money that was remaining at the time of shut down?

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Is Watchtower beginning to buckle

by Truthexplorer in

is wt beginning to buckle under the weight of everything that is happening?

heavy criticism from the media and the plethora of websites and youtube videos popping up; and now the obvious issues with finances clearly evident.

the pressure for change must be immense and therefore necessary!

Incognito

the Borg is entirely TAX FREE, an enormous monitory saving.

I had previously read various newspaper articles of complaints with WT not paying taxes in Brooklyn.

It's one thing for a place of worship not being required to pay property tax.

It was becoming recognised that substantial tax was lost from increasing numbers of massive properties used for printing facilities, office space, warehouse, equipment fabrication, vehicle maintenance and living accommodations, just because those properties are operated by a religious entity.

Perhaps the tax situation was making Brooklyn a hostile environment for WT, with a fear of the tax situation turning against them.

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Reasons for leak and building stop story

by Gorbatchov in

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i have some feeling about the am2015 leak and the recent building stop story going arround.. it wouldn't surprise me that the information is a calculated leak.. - jw's are informal informed about the changes and adopt them informal.. - the building stop influences the concience of jw's for donating more money.. at the other hand, maybe there has occured a financial disaster for example they invested bilions in volkswagen.. gorby.

Incognito

Although this will be limited to Australian nationals, it will still run into the millions I suspect!

While it maybe limited to Australia initially, I suspect other countries will be watching and may use the ARC as an example to follow.

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Fading policies and doctrines

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

first a clarification - this is not about policies on faders etc.

it is about how the borg allow policies and doctrines to fade rather than correct them and apologise for mistakes.

here are two examples of what i mean:.

Incognito

It is about how the borg allow policies and doctrines to fade rather than correct them and apologise for mistakes.

Since they claim God guides and directs their actions and provides nu-lite as he sees fit, any policy or doctrine changes, are attributed to God's will. The GB feel they have made no mistakes or errors as they are only following God's direction. Nothing to apologize for.

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Where have all the spiritual men gone?

by ToesUp in

this photo was on jw-archive.. sisters are now passing microphones due to a lack of qualified brothers.

this was in a english speaking group in slovenia .

i feel sorry for the guy in the blue shirt!

Incognito

You now have to meet or exceed the national avg. or in our hall over 10 hours a month.

It's funny, for as long as I can recall, the National average has been 10 hours although JWs in the 70s & 80s seemed to be more gungho at going d2d than they are now.

I can recall when midweek evening witnessing was practiced. Although not many actually participated in that, there was generally one or two from each bookstudy group. I also recall going d2d into the early afternoon, not worrying about coffee breaks or stopping at noon.

I suspect, similar to the expenses reported at a Circuit Assembly do not reflect the true costs, the 10 hour N average is not the true average, but is a means to get the rank and file to do a little more. Most r&f witnesses are probably doing 4-8 hours/month, assuming they actually get out for 2 hours - 2X to 4X each month. I think in actuality, the hours reported involve 'creative' time keeping.

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Where have all the spiritual men gone?

by ToesUp in

this photo was on jw-archive.. sisters are now passing microphones due to a lack of qualified brothers.

this was in a english speaking group in slovenia .

i feel sorry for the guy in the blue shirt!

Incognito

due to a lack of qualified brothers.

So what qualifications are required to pass microphones?

I was given that "privilege" as an unbaptised teenager at around 13 onwards as were other teens of that age. I think that job was used as an incentive to involve teens and keep them awake at the meeting since no one wanted to mess-up and delay getting the mic to whoever was called upon.

Somehow, the job as 'mic handler' became another means of control, for only those that qualified.

The term 'Spiritual Men' has nothing to do with spirituality but only describes those that will adhere unquestionably to whatever WT demands they need to do.

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reaching out: Need circuit assembly dates and locations: my stomach hurts just saying this and requesting this

by goingthruthemotions in

without giving up to much info about myself.

does anyone know where i could get a list of circuit assembly dates and locations for the western united states.

you all know that my brainwashed wife is still in.

Incognito

Blondie's post links to the convention schedule. As the 2015 conventions in USA and Canada have all occurred, those countries are no longer shown.

If your one day is being held today at the most local Assembly Hall, there will likely be another tomorrow or next weekend.

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reaching out: Need circuit assembly dates and locations: my stomach hurts just saying this and requesting this

by goingthruthemotions in

without giving up to much info about myself.

does anyone know where i could get a list of circuit assembly dates and locations for the western united states.

you all know that my brainwashed wife is still in.

Incognito

Are you asking about a Circuit Assembly or Regional Convention?

Circuit Assemblies are generally held at an assembly hall. As they are now a one day event, if your other event is on Saturday, then there should be another CA on Sunday or on the following weekend.