Posts by Incognito

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"You owe Jehovah humility and HONESTY" - an email from a JW

hey forum goers.

i'd like your opinions on constructing an email reply to this shocker below.

bit of background about the sender: she is a middle-aged, cheery uberdub whose siblings left when a schism occured in her congregation in canada way back when.

Incognito

WT leads JW's to believe they should not respect differing belief's, thereby forcing JWs to attempt to 'save' everyone else by attempting to convert them to become JWs as JWs are told, they would be held bloodguilty by God for not doing such.

It seems many of us when leaving the JW religion, hold a similar belief that it is our obligation to convert JWs from being JWs or at least we must inform them to TTATT. Perhaps we need to stop to consider and respect other people's right to believe as they wish to believe, JWs included.

With regard to the email received, if it had been sent from a different acquaintance that holds other religious beliefs, would you worry about what to do with her email?

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So tell me Again, exactly whose waters are drying up?!

by nowwhat? in

avon lake ohio , meanwhile a new mega church is almost completed right down the street.

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Incognito

"AVAILABLE"

Does this mean:

For Sale?

For Lease? (Long-term tenant but WT owns the property)

For Rent? (Short-term tenant but WT owns the property)

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Proposed Georgia(USA) Assembly Hall Collected Funds, 3.5 Million Dollars, donated to the World Wide Work

by James Jack in

from 2012 thru 2016, congregations in georgia and alabama collected funds to build a new assembly hall in south atlanta.

to date, 3.5 million dollars was collected and 75 acres was purchased.

the branch decided that this assembly hall was not needed.

Incognito

I suspect when there was a search for land, the 75-acre property was then available at reasonable cost and in the general area central to the congregations that AH would be serving. There is probably good highway access. That property may also have offered the prospect for rezoning the property use, likely from agricultural use to a religious place of worship.

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Refusing to Report time in field ministry

by Whynot in

what do you think would happen if i verbally refuse to report my time?

it's been several months since i turned in my time and i think the elder got tired of asking me lol.

frankly, i think it's stupid that jws are required to do this.

Incognito

If you haven't reported in several months, don't bother as they will soon stop asking.

I suspect once a person is deemed inactive, their publisher card will soon be hidden from the CO as that person becomes an embarrassment to the elders since they are proven ineffective in restoring the person's 'enthusiasim'. Your husband remaining an active member of that Cong, makes the situation somewhat more complicated since he remains there and can answer questions about you. The elders can't simply claim you moved away and they don't know where to.

As WT seem to use publisher numbers when stating the number of active JWs, it would be interesting to observe if the number of JWs worldwide would decrease if all PIMO persons who now report fake hours, stop doing so.

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They've given themselves a out for refusing to give you your data if you ask for it

by purrpurr in

from the jw.org global data page.

"upon receipt of your written request, after you provide sufficient evidence of your identity and enough information to permit us to identify your personal data, the applicable data controller will fairly consider granting the request by balancing the interests of the individual in gaining access to data or correcting or deleting data against the legitimate interests of the organization, including whether granting the request would endanger the organization’s right to religious freedom and practice.

we will also notify any third-party recipients of the necessary changes.. please note that your data may not be erased if processing is required by law or if the data may be kept on other legal bases.

Incognito

Even if WT assures a person all their personal information has been deleted, how would the person verify that actually occurred and there isn't info remaining on file including within backup files stored off-site?

While government's may enact laws regarding personal freedom including the retention of information on individuals, there is no 'privacy police' to verify compliance, making it an honor based system. WT has proven itself to have no honor.

As there is no bible precedent for keeping records on fellow Christian's, WT cannot really justify doing so as a religious requirement or practice.

Do other Christian religions (ie: Catholic, Anglican, C of E, etc) maintain large database of member information or are JWs 'unique' in this too?

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Sensitive data on Watchtower forms

by Fay Dehr in

here's a link to a common form that publishers are required to fill in if they want to participate in city cart witnessing:.

https://1drv.ms/b/s!amcrvjcxi6m6agpvwzog5pxfxja.

note on the reverse of the form comments that elders write, and a box to rate your "spirituality"!

Incognito

I never posted this 2nd post - must be a glitch in this forum!

Seems odd then that this post has a different title than the one referenced by _Morpheus

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Loosing your Privleges and Scumbag elders

by Addison0998 in

so 9 months before i started pioneering, i had a hot and heavy moment with this player witness who was just trying to string me along and talked to a lot of different girls.

we made out and he grabbed my goodies a few times you know the regular stuff all teens do at least once.

anyways i never saw him again because when i refused to send him nudes he dropped me.

Incognito

Congratulations! You have now been awakened to the ways of the Watchtower. As has been mentioned, the elders did you a favour.

JW Privilege = spending your time working for free for no personal reward

Why is 'Pioneering' considered a privilege which can be denied to the person willing to do it? As all JWs are expected to preach to others, why then is a title and elders approval required so as to fulfil a personal commitment to spend a specific number of hours preaching each month?

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Affected by assembly

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

hi - first some context - i have been pimo for about 20 years now and so have been to a lot of assemblies in that time.

last weekend i went to a circuit assembly and for the first time afterwards i was able to talk directly to someone who knows i'm out.

i realised then that although i didn't agree with any teachings (i sat picking holes in the arguements as usual) the experience of being there had affected me - the way of life started feeling normal as did the overall way of viewing the world.

Incognito

I have come to the realisation that being PIMO and having an open mind is the best way. - Formerbrother

You likely didn't mean it in the manner you did. 'Best way' would be to be POMO and to go off and live a good life.

In continuing to attend and subject oneself to their influence, sets up an internal conflict.

A person portrays an outward appearance, behaviour and speech so as to be accepted, meanwhile, their brain is screaming - 'this is BS', and constantly reminds them how unhappy they are to pretend.

In the long term, with constantly placing their true feelings on the backburner, the 'screaming' in their brain will eventually become a whisper. Although the person may not agree fully with the religion, they will no longer be full PIMO but will have conditioned themselves to be PIMI to a greater degree.

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On and off again JW girlfriend

by Crzysin in

hello everyone, i have an on and off again ex who is a jw.

each time her family gets involved and she's gone again.

i'm debating biting the bullet and doing the work to become baptized, so we can follow through with our engagement.

Incognito

Welcome!

You have not stated what you or your GF think about the JW religion. Do you still hold that it is 'The Truth'? Does she?

Your GF is old enough to make her own decisions but is choosing to disregard how she wishes to live her life and is disrespecting you as her fiance. You are taken for granted as you continue to be there for her, even after she throws you away and treats you like dirt. She places her family on a higher level than you or even herself, allowing them to dictate her life. If your GF remains content to allow her family to continue to control her, that will continue even if you were to marry.

If you cave-in to comply with her family's demands, you are then allowing them to control you too. Where do you think their control will stop? There will always be something more you and she need to do to keep their favour. Think of the example this sets for both your child and hers.

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How to "turn the tables" on still-in witness who pry about our status.

by stuckinarut2 in

jw
friends

so many of us have had (perhaps well-meaning) jws ask us questions about our inactivity, or lack of attendance at meetings.

they may pry about why..... how is this for a simple, yet straight to the point response?

to a sincere person, it may play on their mind and make them ask more questions.

Incognito

"Thanks, but my God-given Bible trained conscience doesn't allow me to associate, now that I know a multitude of disturbing facts" - stuck

I said something similar to two of my JW relatives. Their response, "We haven't heard anything."

That was the end of any further discussion except them demanding that we must put those things out of mind and attend meetings anyway, even as they had not attended in many years but only pretend they do.

As millie210 said: "It will NEVER matter what you say...reason and logic will not penetrate."