Posts by AngelofMuZiC

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The "Theocratic" View

by Jigrigger in

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how many of you ex-jws can recall a particular instance during your life as a jw when you or someone you know had a mini crisis of conscience over what you now, upon reflection, consider to be the most trivial or petty in nature?.

i've got a good one for you.

i remember my mom and one of my aunts engaged in a very serious debate about whether they should feed a freshly caught mouse to the cat because it hadn't been properly bled!!!.

AngelofMuZiC

Have I got one for you!!!

When I was 13, I finally started my menstrual cycle. (Sorry if that grosses anyone out.) Anyway, I was so happy that I was like the other girls I went to school with that I wanted to celebrate. ( Ho stupid was I?) My mom thought it was a good idea, so she took me out shopping, to the movies, and out for dinner. The next day, Sunday, my mom was telling another sister about "the miracle" the day before. She told the sister that we celebrated, and the sister scolded my mother for doing that and brought it to the attention of the elders. She thought it was wrong to celebrate because it the old testament, a woman was pronounced unclean for the duration of her cycle, and her husband was not allowed to touch her, so celebrating something "unclean" was wrong in her eyes!! The elders met with my mother only to explain the situation, and to repremand her for nearly stumbling her sister. [8>] Isn't that like the stupidest thing ever?
My regards,
Joanne

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To: Sue in UK and all Dubs

by Amazing in

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sue: you commented to my post about elders sins, by saying that the co may have been giving his own opinion.

the typical jw response is to always direct the problems identified to some individual or to some local problems not common among other jws.

here are some important points that you and other dubs need to understand:.

AngelofMuZiC

Well then 'Sue', if that is what you wish to be called, then what exactly is your purpose for being here? If you aren't a witness or ex-witness, then what the heck are you? And, why do you keep playing silly games? My suggestion to you is to start explaining!
My Regards,
Joanne

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elders visit need advice from ex elders, any

by jurs in

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hi eveyone,.

i just got back from vacation.

i missed reading everyones postings.. i just received a call from an elder in my congregation.

AngelofMuZiC

Hey Jurs,
Well, I'm not sure if this will be tremendous help, but I think you should discuss some of the completely bogus prophecies, and how the bible speaks about false prophets. For example, Judge Rutherford claimed that in 1925 (i think) King David, Joseph and Solomon are supposed to be resurrected to earth in flesh, and they are Jehovah's earthly agents. He bought a property in San Diego, and put it in trust for them!!! How about all the times they said Armageddon was coming, and then retracted those statements? I have some very useful chronological info that will be very helpful in this. My e-mail address is [email protected]. If you would e-mail me, I could foward you this information. Trust me, the elders won't know what hit them!!
My Regards,
Joanne

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Apostates

by Sue in

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i turned to this website looking for encouragement.. i thought it was a genuine jw chat site.. what do i find?.

most who write here, don't belive in the jw teachings.. most are complainers and apostate.. does any one know were i can find a genuine jw site?

AngelofMuZiC

Sue,

I would like to first off say that you'd better read the definition of apostate. Secondly, I think that you'd also better read the Kingdom Ministry for Novemeber 99, as many here have advised you to do. You've already commited "religious treason" so to speak by replying to us whom you consider to be apostates, and who according to the Society are. I also think you need to take time to research the history of the Watchtower Organization. You will be suprised at what you find. For instance...did you know that Judge Rutherford bought a house in San Diego, CA, that he put in trust for King David, Joseph, and Samson, whom he called "Princes of the Earth"? Rutherford 'predicted' that they would be resurrected in 1925, and they would be Jehovah's chief agents overseeing the preaching work!!
The Watchtower Organization was built on false prophecy. Look for yourself...it's in the Watchtower and many other books.
My Regards,
Joanne

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ME!!!!! :)

by SashaofNH in

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i have been snooping for about 2 months and i just love this place!

i was jw.....now i am not.

i was very interested in the "why do ex jws become athiest" for i was there too when i left the jw "faith".

AngelofMuZiC

Welcome Sasha!! Hope you stick around!!! I'm a newbie too, and I was hooked the first night I snooped!!! Anyway, welcome and be sure to have fun!!!
My Regards,
Joanne

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Batting averages: WTS vs apostle Peter

by Defender in

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the society publishes an average of 22,000,000 wt and 19,000,000 number of awake magazines every two weeks.

if we assume that 6,000,000 of each go toward the number of active publishers as their personal copies.

that leaves 16,000,000 issues of wt + 13,000,000 for awake = 29,000,000 that are to be used for disciple making.. multiply 29,000,000 by 26 = 754,000,000 average yearly printing.. divide 754,000,000 by 288,907 (number of baptized in 2000) = 2609. yes, 2609 number of magazines (not counting books, brochures and tracts) must be distributed in order to recruit one new member.. now for the number of hours; .

AngelofMuZiC

I agree with Defender. I cannot tell you how many Wt's & Ak's I have seen go straight into the garbage after my mother gave them out to neighbors and family friends. Then we have hundreds of mags, ranging from 1987-2001 lying around the house collecting dust. If the WTS is so interested in helping people, they should spend some of that money for hiring scholars who can actually interpret the bible correctly, and they should follow the advice given about caring for orphans and widows.
My Regards, Joanne

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A People For His Name

by Princess in

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does anyone know where i can get a copy of the book "a people for his name" by timothy white?.

my husband really wants a real copy of the book since all we have is a photocopied version.. any help is appreciated!.

princess.

AngelofMuZiC

Princess,

You could try vintage book stores, the public library, or maybe even E-bay.

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"Have I committed the unforgiveable sin?&q...

by LDH in

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*** g94 11/8 20 have i committed the unforgivable sin?

masturbation is an unclean habit.

(2 corinthians 7:1) however, the bible does not class it with serious sins such as fornication.

AngelofMuZiC

I THINK THAT FREDHALL IS THE BIGGEST FREAKIN JERK ON THIS BOARD, AND I THINK HE NEEDS TO SHUT UP WITH HIS STUPID CRACKS, AND NOT OPEN HIS MOUTH UNTIL HE HAS SOMETHING INTELLIGENT TO SAY!!!!!

WHO AGREES?

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What drives exJWs to atheism?

by ros in

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a significant number of former jehovah's witnesses come out of the watchtower still believing the bible and considering themselves christians.

most coming out are in a serious state of bewilderment, and they look intently and sincerely for something to fill the huge void of lost religion, lost family and friends, and lost fellowship.

they seek some viable spiritual association with others of like mind while at the same time having become very wary of any organized religion.. what is it that eventually draws so many of us (not me) to agnosticism or atheism?

AngelofMuZiC

Very Well Said!!!

I had a similar experience. It was actually some members of a Born Again church that I had been talking to, that convinced me it was time to get out of the JW religion. They pulled the same thing you described. Then after awhile, I realized they are just like any other religion out there, and I am turned off by all organized religion. But, I have not relinquished my belief in God or the Bible. Anyway, thanx for the insight.

My Regards,
Joanne

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Hi everyone....

by Jeremy Bravo in

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as i sit in front of my computer in a drunken stupor wondering what might have been, i felt i had to post my story to those who might truly understand what i am going through.. i am a newbie here, but have been lurking around for the last few weeks.

i am 25 years old, from ontario, and totally heartbroken.. to give you some background, back in 1998, i studied with the witnesses because some friends of mine, whom i believe to be honest and sincere people, gave me (i thought at the time) some good advice to start a book study.

i did, and i really enjoyed it because i felt they presented everything factually and had a strong interpretation of the scriptures (i'm a facts man, you see).

AngelofMuZiC

Wow, that is touching. I just want to give you a really big hug!!!! I know that what you're going through is hard to deal with, and some others have told you to move on. But that's easier said than done. I lost someone too because my remaining morally sound wasn't something they wanted to deal with. I am an ex-JW, but, I still wish to keep my morals. The person who I was with just couldn't understand why. He insisted on getting drunk all the time, and kept trying to get me to sleep with him. Im not some holy-roller, as some may think, but I don;t like immorality. And this person left me becasue he felt restricted by me. That hurts bigtime, and I felt like I would never recover. I still have some doubts regarding relationships and trust. I feel like all those times he said I love you, were just lies too. But with time, the pain will go away, and you will be okay. I hope you stay with us here on the board.
My Regards, Joanne