just wanted to remind anyone that wanted to donate to this cause...now is the time!!!
i know that we are asked to donate to all kinds of causes at this time of year and this would be at the top if you ask me.
to donate just go to www.silentlambs.org and make a contribution and name what it is for.. love to all,.
Hi Everyone:
Just wanted to remind anyone that wanted to donate to this cause...now is the time!!! I know that we are asked to donate to all kinds of causes at this time of year and this would be at the top if you ask me.
To donate just go to www.silentlambs.org and make a contribution and name what it is for.
Love to all,
Swalker
after reading some of the comments against silent lambs, i thought i would respond back with my own topic.
anyway, i have met bill bowen in person at the silent lambs summit in nashville back in march.
i did not feel that he was arrogant in anyway or egotistical.he seemed to conduct that summit in a very professional way and really put together a good program.
Think about when you left the org and all the feelings and emotions that you went through. I would think that leaving a cult is up there with divorce and death, etc. as far as going through a greiving process. I would imagine Bill went through the steps that are recognized by therapists as part of the ongoing healing process. He wouldn't be human if he didn't experience hurt, anger, sadness, etc. and he may not have made all the right decisions going through the onslaught of these emotions. Going through this in the public eye is especially difficult as he just couldn't take the time off that he needed to heal. I say give him a break and just give Silentlambs time to re-adjust...it has been such a good place to go for so many victims. There will always be a few unhappy dissenters, no matter what.
Who else has stepped forward like he has???
Swalker
victory!
the court appointed attorney will be recommending to the judge the following at the hearing tomorrow morning.
unsupervised visits with mom at the children?s request only, away from her home and away from stepfather.
Corvin:
Way to Go!!!! Wish we were closer and we'd have a party! Thank God you have those girls out of that situation. Life should be a lot calmer now and hopefully your family life will settle down into a normal routine. I can't imagine having to go through all of that! Peace and love to you all.
Sincerely,
Swalker
today, i am taking the girls to meet with the court appointed attorney.
he will interview the girls and me together, then he will interview sara and the girls together.
it is his recommendation to the judge that will decide the outcome of this custody battle.
Just want to say that we all feel terrible for what you are going through. I pray that things work out in your favor...It should be obvious to the judge what is best for the children! Hang in there.
Swalker
if any one has been a regular such as i have in the silent lambs site you will have noticed it has changed for the worse..as of last week i decided to withdraw from my membership...the site was designed by bill to vent, explain and devulge abuse that we have witnessed or experienced..as in my case as a former m.s i had seen two coverups in my hall...the parents to afraid to go to the police and the elders screaming jehovah will leave them if they tell on the org is the crime i had to bare with..so i spoke up and left the org...silent lambs was for that reason...now.
it has mutated to a cheap lowlevel site for apologist and non witness who want to argue on unrelated topics..to top it off bill has given the site to an editor who is so silly and more involved than the participants why bother anymore....to bill..you lost your way...
Thanks Farkel...you summed it up nicely!
Swalker
if any one has been a regular such as i have in the silent lambs site you will have noticed it has changed for the worse..as of last week i decided to withdraw from my membership...the site was designed by bill to vent, explain and devulge abuse that we have witnessed or experienced..as in my case as a former m.s i had seen two coverups in my hall...the parents to afraid to go to the police and the elders screaming jehovah will leave them if they tell on the org is the crime i had to bare with..so i spoke up and left the org...silent lambs was for that reason...now.
it has mutated to a cheap lowlevel site for apologist and non witness who want to argue on unrelated topics..to top it off bill has given the site to an editor who is so silly and more involved than the participants why bother anymore....to bill..you lost your way...
Just my 2 Cents:
Having just finished helping out with the Candle Light Vigil in SC, I can honestly say that it was totally draining, emotionally. Bill Bowen was great here, and I didn't see an ego problem at all. I did see someone who seems emotionally and physically tired. Some of the social workers that I talked with say that there are times that they feel that they just can't hear or cope with another abuse case. Bill hears it all the time. Maybe he needs a well deserved vacation/break from it all....
Sincerely,
Swalker
tropical storm jeanne threatens puerto rico, hurricane javier pounds mexico .
2 hours, 47 minutes ago add science - afp to my yahoo!
san juan, puerto rico (afp) - tropical storm jeanne crashed ashore in densely populated puerto rico, killing two people, dumping heavy rains and flooding low-lying areas, authorities and local media said, as hurricane ivan raged toward the us coast.
Well, we don't have a storm shelter but we have an extra large bathtub...I hope that will be good enough if we get any tornados! It is kind of scary when the sirens start going off! I hope we don't lose power. Last week we lost phone service for a few days. Keep us posted on any updates that you hear.
Swalker
silentlambs is crying out for help in this one.
it seems due to a large public outcry by the community, a candlelite vigil is being set up in remembrance of the victims.
they are plastering this info all over the main page at www.silentlambs.com.
Thanks for all the input! I have picked up some additional info that I thought should be posted.
First, let me say in answer to Joker: Bill Bowen is taking off 4 days from his secular work (no pay) to come to Rock Hill and hold this candlelight vigil. I don't see any other elders across the country willing to step down from their "Elder" positions and put themselves out there like he is doing for these abuse victims. His only gain is a "good conscience" knowing he is doing the right thing in trying to get changes made within the JW's, and in doing so, is helping victims, no matter what religion or background they come from. So maybe you would like to donate to him for his loss of time, especially in view of the comment you made!
Secondly, only 1 couple (Spanish Hall) showed up for the service. When first contacted the local KH said they would pay for the funeral. All of a sudden, no one could contact them. When the paper reached the PO he said "No Comment". 5 members of your congregation die in the worse Child Abuse/Murder/Suicide ever recorded in York County, and you have NO COMMENT!!!!!!? Then you treat them like you never knew them, even though they had been ACTIVE members and up until May (?) held the congregation Book Study in their home?
The English teacher did the eulogy!!! I know that people wanted this to be performed a minister and wanted and needed some comfort from the scriptures! They got none. And what would have happened if no one had come forward? Would their bodies have just been tossed in the ditch? They would have been laid to rest with not one word said. Even if no one wanted to say anything for the father, THE REST OF THE FAMILY WERE VICTIMS! Those children deserved better than this from the local KH. Everyone at the school knew that Denia was a JW...think how hard that is in itself. But according to her classmates they say she was very well liked. They are having a hard time dealing with this.
Third, I find it strange that the local KH could make arrangements for the father to stay with a Witness family in the Charlotte, N.C. area when he was banned from his home by DSS, but then couldn't help with the funeral arrangements. (He was probably sent there, and told to just read his Bible and go to meetings.) I don't know if he was receiving professional counseling or not...but apparently it wasn't enough. From all that I have read, most professionals agree that it is very difficult to reform a child molester, if not impossible. This case proves that point yet again.
I don't have all the organizations together yet, but I do know that the following groups basically paid for the funeral:
Red Cross, Victim's Abuse, Greene's Funeral Home, Pentecostal Church, Moonlight and Magnolia's (provided the casket spreads)...and there are a few others that aren't published yet. This doesn't even mention all the time spent by locals to make these arrangements, and this was all done by Volunteers! NOT one penny from the JW's. There is still a need for a few more funeral expenses to be paid. Silentlambs is raising money for this, and for a Memorial to be set up in the children's names. What is left will be donated to local child abuse organizations.
Any one who would care to donate can do so through Silentlambs and indicate what it is for. Anyone in the Charlotte, Rock Hill area who may know other details on the inside are encouraged to come forward. They can do so anonymously, through Dan Huntley at the Charlotte Observer. Other contact numbers are given in the local papers.
We encourage all to support and attend if possible. If not, then please pause for a moment and remember the wife and children on September 9.
Sincerely,
Swalker
silentlambs is crying out for help in this one.
it seems due to a large public outcry by the community, a candlelite vigil is being set up in remembrance of the victims.
they are plastering this info all over the main page at www.silentlambs.com.
Help Everyone:
Silentlambs is crying out for help in this one. It seems due to a large public outcry by the community, a candlelite vigil is being set up in remembrance of the victims. They are plastering this info all over the main page at www.silentlambs.com.
As I am close to this area, I plan on attending. I hope that we can give this the attention it needs. I hope that this will be one of the largest turnouts yet...but we need people to get involved and be there!!!
Any ideas you have should be posted here and on the silentlambs site. Let's don't let this opportunity get by, these victims deserve to have their dignity restored!
Can you imagine the horror these children had to endure having their throats slit...how painful that is???
Swalker
has anybody read this article on the wild beast?
it is the wild beast and 666 on the cover.. i'm curious to know what some of your thoughts are on the article.
if there is already a thread on the topic i would appreciate someone directing me to it..
It is also very interesting that they bring up the human rights issue in reference to governments, considering that is/was their NGO affiliation with the UN. It makes you wonder how close their ties still are to the UN...
I can't believe that JW's can read this stuff and not be wondering what is going on. Any witness that has been around for a while surely has to question this new teaching.
