My picture is real too...boy am I showing them. Come and get me...I'd love to take a bite out of you!!!
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WT Spies...
by jeanniebeanz indo you think that any of us could spot a 'plant' if they were really good at their job?
what do you think their job would be, misinformation, discouragement, gather personal information, instigate fights between members?.
do you think they would even care enough about little 'ol us to bother?.
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Actual Instruction Labels
by SWALKER insome examples of why the human race has probably evolved as far as possible.
these are actual instruction labels on .
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Sorry, I couldn't get it to post correctly...
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Actual Instruction Labels
by SWALKER insome examples of why the human race has probably evolved as far as possible.
these are actual instruction labels on .
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Actual Instruction Labels
by SWALKER insome examples of why the human race has probably evolved as far as possible.
these are actual instruction labels on .
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Some examples of why the human race has probably evolved as far as possible. These are actual instruction labels on consumer goods: On Sears hairdryer: Do not use while sleeping. (Gee, that's the only time I have to work on my hair!) On a bag of Fritos: You could be a winner! No purchase necessary. Details inside. (The shoplifter special!!!) On a bar of Dial Soap: Directions: Use like regular soap. (and that would be how?) On some Swann frozen dinners: Serving suggestion: Defrost. (But it's just a suggestion!) On Tesco's Tiramisu dessert: (printed on bottom of the box) Do not turn upside down. (Too late! you lose!) On Marks & Spencer Bread Pudding: Product will be hot after heating. (Are you sure? Let's experiment.) On packaging for a Rowenta iron: Do not iron clothes on body. (But wouldn't that save more time?) (Whose body?) On Boot's Children's cough medicine: Do not drive car or operate machinery. (We could do a lot to reduce the construction accidents if we just kept those 5 year olds off those fork lifts.) On Nytol sleep aid: Warning: May cause drowsiness. (One would hope!) On a Korean kitchen knife: Warning: keep out of children. (hmmm...something must have gotten lost in the translation...) On a string of Christmas lights: For indoor or outdoor use only. (As opposed to use in outer space.) On a food processor: Not to be used for the other use. (Now I'm curious.) On Sainsbury's peanuts: Warning: contains nuts. (but no peas?) On an American Airlines packet of nuts: Instructions: open packet, eat nuts. (somebody got paid big bucks to write this one...) On a Swedish chainsaw: Do not attempt to stop chain with your hands. (Raise your hand if you've tried this...) On a child's Superman costume: Wearing of this garment does not enable you to fly. (Oh go ahead! That's right, destroy a universal childhood belief.)
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Is Christmas for Atheists?
by LittleToe ingiven that so many practises associated with christmas are blatantly christian in origin, is christmas truly for atheists?
i know that often there are few christian connotations attributed to it nowadays, in such a secularised society, but history is on record in showing that the whole baby jesus thing and angels singing with their "peace and goodwill" stuff is definitely a christian element.
would any true atheist today want to drink such a mixed cup?
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My question is, when Jesus finally returns, will HE celebrate Christmas? "Happy Birthday to me! Happy Birthday to me! ..." (What do you buy a guy like that? Probably a Visa gift card...)
LOL @ AA
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THE NEWS IS BIGGER THAN DATELINE, BBC, CBC, ETC.
by AndersonsInfo inif i told you that something bigger is on the horizon than dateline, bbc, cbc, sunday (australia), and all other tv programs which exposed the sexual child abuse cover-up by watchtower in 2002-2003, would you believe me?
have i ever misled you?
i'll answer that--no!
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With all due respect SWalker, the Society are the ones who misrepresent facts. The Blood booklet is rife with quotes taken out of context and misapplied in ways they were not originally intended.
Big Tex...I totally agree that they misrepresent facts. But by stating that this is a religious issue they are covering their A$$es!!! Whether or not that can be challenged in court is yet to be seen. But as I keep saying, the news media does this on a daily basis. They take partial quotes, statements out of context, etc. and what if this caused someone harm? (Which I'm sure it has!) The point is that misrepresentation would have to apply to other organizations as well for the damage that they do to also. IMO there would have to be a whole culture adjustment to allow for new law on this issue. Anything is possible....
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THE NEWS IS BIGGER THAN DATELINE, BBC, CBC, ETC.
by AndersonsInfo inif i told you that something bigger is on the horizon than dateline, bbc, cbc, sunday (australia), and all other tv programs which exposed the sexual child abuse cover-up by watchtower in 2002-2003, would you believe me?
have i ever misled you?
i'll answer that--no!
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In cases where a Jehovah's Witness did not know they were lie to about the risks until AFTER a tragedy associated to it has occurred, they may properly claim that had the support from the medical facts not been a factor in the indoctrination they may have decided differently, or even would have decided differently.
AS---A JW didn't know it was a lie until AFTER a tragedy--death, then how would you ever prove the point? Do you see my point? It's hard to say something after you are dead! It would be almost impossible for a mate to say what their JW mate believed if he/she had died. Most JW's sign a consent form and or have legal medical documents stating what they want done in case of an emergency.
Trust me, I do understand the point the essay is making!!!! I just see the side the WTS has also, and it's awfully hard to argue with GOD!
I would love to see an attorney take this on and argue it in court and see what the outcome would be...
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THE NEWS IS BIGGER THAN DATELINE, BBC, CBC, ETC.
by AndersonsInfo inif i told you that something bigger is on the horizon than dateline, bbc, cbc, sunday (australia), and all other tv programs which exposed the sexual child abuse cover-up by watchtower in 2002-2003, would you believe me?
have i ever misled you?
i'll answer that--no!
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Skeeter1...I feel that I have to address your repeated threads where I think YOU misrepresent the information found in the Blood Booklet. I think the WTS has their A$$ totally covered by the MANY statements they make that this is a Biblical issue, but then add medical info to it. Here's what I found when I looked at it without rose-colored glasses on:
How Can Blood Save Your Life?
Blood—Vital For Life
How can blood save your life? This no doubt is of interest to you because blood is linked to your life. Blood carries oxygen through your body, removes carbon dioxide, helps you adapt to temperature changes, and aids in your fight against disease.
People who believe in such a Life-Giver trust that his directions are for our lasting good. A Hebrew prophet described him as "the One teaching you to benefit yourself, the One causing you to tread in the way in which you should walk."
That assurance, at Isaiah 48:17 , is part of the Bible, a book respected for ethical values that can benefit all of us. What does it say about human use of blood? Does it show how lives can be saved with blood? Actually, the Bible shows clearly that blood is more than a complex biologic fluid. It mentions blood over 400 times, and some of these references involve the saving of life.
In one early reference, the Creator declared: "Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. . . . But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it." He added: "For your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting," and he then condemned murder. ( Genesis 9:3-6 , New International Version) He said that to Noah, a common ancestor highly esteemed by Jews, Muslims, and Christians. All humanity was thus notified that in the Creator's view, blood stands for life. This was more than a dietary regulation. Clearly a moral principle was involved. Human blood has great significance and should not be misused. The Creator later added details from which we can easily see the moral issues that he links to lifeblood.
"The precepts hereby set down in a precise and methodical manner [in Acts 15 ] are qualified as indispensable, giving the strongest proof that in the apostles' minds this was not a temporary arrangement, or a provisional measure."—Professor Édouard Reuss, University of Strasbourg.
He again referred to blood when he gave the Law code to ancient Israel. While many people respect the wisdom and ethics in that code, few are aware of its serious laws on blood. For instance: "If anyone of the house of Israel or of the strangers who reside among them partakes of any blood, I will set My face against the person who partakes of the blood, and I will cut him off from among his kin. For the life of the flesh is in the blood." ( Leviticus 17:10, 11 , Tanakh) God then explained what a hunter was to do with a dead animal: "He shall pour out its blood and cover it with earth. . . . You shall not partake of the blood of any flesh, for the life of all flesh is its blood. Anyone who partakes of it shall be cut off."— Leviticus 17:13, 14 , Ta.
Scientists now know that the Jewish Law code promoted good health. It required, for example, that excrement be deposited outside the camp and covered and that people not eat meat that carried a high risk of disease. ( Leviticus 11:4-8 , 13 ; 17:15 ; Deuteronomy 23:12, 13 ) While the law about blood had health aspects, much more was involved. Blood had a symbolic meaning. It stood for life provided by the Creator. By treating blood as special, the people showed dependence on him for life. Yes, the chief reason why they were not to take in blood was, not that it was unhealthy, but that it had special meaning to God.
At a historic council, the Christian governing body confirmed that God's law on blood is still binding
The Law repeatedly stated the Creator's ban on taking in blood to sustain life. "You must not eat the blood; pour it out on the ground like water. Do not eat it, so that it may go well with you and your children after you, because you will be doing what is right."— Deuteronomy 12:23-25 , NIV; 15:23 ; Leviticus 7:26, 27 ; Ezekiel 33:25 .#
Contrary to how some today reason, God's law on blood was not to be ignored just because an emergency arose. During a wartime crisis, some Israelite soldiers killed animals and "fell to eating along with the blood." In view of the emergency, was it permissible for them to sustain their lives with blood? No. Their commander pointed out that their course was still a grave wrong. ( 1 Samuel 14:31-35 ) Hence, precious as life is, our Life-Giver never said that his standards could be ignored in an emergency.
BLOOD AND TRUE CHRISTIANS
Where does Christianity stand on the question of saving human life with blood?
Jesus was a man of integrity, which is why he is so highly regarded. He knew that the Creator said that taking in blood was wrong and that this law was binding. Hence, there is good reason to believe that Jesus would uphold the law about blood even if he was under pressure to do otherwise. Jesus "did no wrong, [and] no treachery was found on his lips." ( 1 Peter 2:22 , Knox) He thus set a pattern for his followers, including a pattern of respect for life and blood. (We will later consider how Jesus' own blood is involved in this vital matter affecting your life.)
Note what happened when, years after Jesus' death, a question arose about whether someone becoming a Christian had to keep all of Israel's laws. This was discussed at a council of the Christian governing body, which included the apostles. Jesus' half brother James referred to writings containing the commands about blood stated to Noah and to the nation of Israel. Would such be binding on Christians?— Acts 15:1-21 .
That council sent their decision to all congregations: Christians need not keep the code given to Moses, but it is "necessary" for them to "keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled [unbled meat] and from fornication." ( Acts 15:22-29 ) The apostles were not presenting a mere ritual or dietary ordinance. The decree set out fundamental ethical norms, which early Christians complied with. About a decade later they acknowledged that they should still "keep themselves from what is sacrificed to idols as well as from blood . . . and from fornication."— Acts 21:25 .
You know that millions of people attend churches. Most of them would probably agree that Christian ethics involve not giving worship to idols and not sharing in gross immorality. However, it is worth our noting that the apostles put avoiding blood on the same high moral level as avoiding those wrongs. Their decree concluded: "If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!"— Acts 15:29 .
The apostolic decree was long understood as binding. Eusebius tells of a young woman near the end of the second century who, before dying under torture, made the point that Christians "are not allowed to eat the blood even of irrational animals." She was not exercising a right to die. She wanted to live, but she would not compromise her principles. Do you not respect those who put principle above personal gain?
Scientist Joseph Priestley concluded: "The prohibition to eat blood, given to Noah, seems to be obligatory on all his posterity . . . If we interpret [the] prohibition of the apostles by the practice of the primitive Christians, who can hardly be supposed not to have rightly understood the nature and extent of it, we cannot but conclude, that it was intended to be absolute and perpetual; for blood was not eaten by any Christians for many centuries."
WHAT OF USING BLOOD AS MEDICINE?
Would the Biblical prohibition on blood cover medical uses, such as transfusions, which certainly were not known in the days of Noah, Moses, or the apostles?
While modern therapy employing blood did not exist back then, medicinal use of blood is not modern. For some 2,000 years, in Egypt and elsewhere, human "blood was regarded as the sovereign remedy for leprosy." A physician revealed the therapy given to King Esar-haddon's son when the nation of Assyria was on the leading edge of technology: "[The prince] is doing much better; the king, my lord, can be happy. Starting with the 22nd day I give (him) blood to drink, he will drink (it) for 3 days. For 3 more days I shall give (him blood) for internal application." Esar-haddon had dealings with the Israelites. Yet, because the Israelites had God's Law, they would never drink blood as medicine.
Was blood used as medicine in Roman times? The naturalist Pliny (a contemporary of the apostles) and the second-century physician Aretaeus report that human blood was a treatment for epilepsy. Tertullian later wrote: "Consider those who with greedy thirst, at a show in the arena, take the fresh blood of wicked criminals . . . and carry it off to heal their epilepsy." He contrasted them with Christians, who "do not even have the blood of animals at [their] meals . . . At the trials of Christians you offer them sausages filled with blood. You are convinced, of course, that [it] is unlawful for them." So, early Christians would risk death rather than take in blood.
"Blood in its more everyday form did not . . . go out of fashion as an ingredient in medicine and magic," reports the book Flesh and Blood. "In 1483, for example, Louis XI of France was dying. 'Every day he grew worse, and the medicines profited him nothing, though of a strange character; for he vehemently hoped to recover by the human blood which he took and swallowed from certain children.'"
What of transfusing blood? Experiments with this began near the start of the 16th century. Thomas Bartholin (1616-80), professor of anatomy at the University of Copenhagen, objected: 'Those who drag in the use of human blood for internal remedies of diseases appear to misuse it and to sin gravely. Cannibals are condemned. Why do we not abhor those who stain their gullet with human blood? Similar is the receiving of alien blood from a cut vein, either through the mouth or by instruments of transfusion. The authors of this operation are held in terror by the divine law, by which the eating of blood is prohibited.'"God and men view things in very different lights. What appears important in our eye is very often of no account in the estimation of infinite wisdom; and what appears trifling to us is often of very great importance with God. It was so from the beginning."—An Enquiry Into the Lawfulness of Eating Blood, Alexander Pirie, 1787.
Hence, thinking people in past centuries realized that the Biblical law applied to taking blood into the veins just as it did to taking it into the mouth. Bartholin concluded: "Either manner of taking [blood] accords with one and the same purpose, that by this blood a sick body be nourished or restored."
This overview may help you to understand the nonnegotiable religious stand that Jehovah's Witnesses take. They highly value life, and they seek good medical care. But they are determined not to violate God's standard, which has been consistent: Those who respect life as a gift from the Creator do not try to sustain life by taking in blood.
Still, for years claims have been made that blood saves lives. Doctors can relate cases in which someone had acute blood loss but was transfused and then improved rapidly. So you may wonder, 'How wise or unwise is this medically?' Medical evidence is offered to support blood therapy. Thus, you owe it to yourself to get the facts in order to make an informed choice about blood.
* Paul, at Acts 17:25 , 28 , New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures.
# Similar prohibitions were later written in the Qur´an.
Picture Credits:
1. A Chart of Veins and William Harvey: Reproduced from Medicine and the Artist (Ars Medica) by permission of the Philadelphia Museum of Art/Carl Zigrosser/Dover Publications, Inc.
2. Martin Luther: Woodcut by Lucas CranachPublished in 1990
Copyright © 2004 Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania. All rights reserved.
How did you miss all the Biblical references and the statements that it is a RELIGIOUS stand they use on not taking blood. As much as I would like to see it be a conscious matter...I don't see any way that this can be used in the way the essay is suggesting. By your taking exerpts and using them to put across your viewpoint...how are you any different? I am not attacking you, only pointing out what I said in another thread...everyone does this to prove their point. I don't see any reason for the WTS to take this down off the net. I would love to be proved wrong!!!
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Is Christmas for Atheists?
by LittleToe ingiven that so many practises associated with christmas are blatantly christian in origin, is christmas truly for atheists?
i know that often there are few christian connotations attributed to it nowadays, in such a secularised society, but history is on record in showing that the whole baby jesus thing and angels singing with their "peace and goodwill" stuff is definitely a christian element.
would any true atheist today want to drink such a mixed cup?
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Here is one person's viewpoint on it:
Christmas
Christmas presents a complex issue for atheists because there is currently so much more to Christmas than religion. People will justifiably decry the American consumer culture which appears to overemphasize spending and superficiality, but but which has also managed to diversify Christmas far beyond a Christians-only celebration.
This may be one case where the ability of our consumer culture to tear down traditional meanings has actually done us a service.
Christians quite literally stole a great deal of the outward aspects of traditional Christmas celebration from older pagan celebrations, and now secular consumer culture is stealing them, too.
So, is Christmas religious or secular? Christians will naturally argue that it is religious - I can't tell you how often I see signs telling me "Jesus is the Reason for the Season." Well, they're wrong - and on a number of levels. The "season" itself is originally due to ancient Roman Saturnalia and pagan solstice celebrations, not Jesus.
Today, Christmas may be wholly religious to many Christians, but it need not be religious in any way to anyone else. There's nothing inherently religious, much less Christian, about a whole host of Christmas activities: decorations, lights, Christmas trees, giving gifts, family gatherings, holiday meals and foods, etc. Even incredibly sappy holiday movies offer Christmas messages of human love and kindness which carry no inherent religious basis.
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The "Jerry Springer" crowd
by Simon init seems some are a little 'disappointed' with the latest news and events re: the wts and blood.. they seem to love the jerry springer-type scandal where someone will shout (in the street where it is worthless) that "the president raped me" or "all the gb are gay" or "elvis ate my hampster" or whatever.. hay, yeah, that is great new huh?
that stuff reaaaallllllyyyy makes people think .... .. .. ... that we are f r u i t c a k e s !!.
perhaps those that are so quick to criticise and dismiss will.
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In case some of you are interested in going on the "Jerry Springer Show", I am posting the application form below:
GUEST APPLICATION FOR THE JERRY SPRINGER SHOW
Personal Information:
Name___________ Nickname______________ CB Handle_____
Yore Mama________Yore Daddy (if known)_______
Spouse's Name_________
Relationship to spouse: ___Sister ____Brother ____Mother ____Father ___Pet ___Aunt ___Uncle
Occupation: ___Unemployed Mechanic ___Gun Show Dealer ___Skinhead
Number of Children in Household: ___ Number of children that are yours___
Circle Highest Level of Education: 1 2 3 4
How Far is Your Mobile Home From a Paved Road: ___1mi. __5 mi.?
Number of Times You Have Survived a Tornado: ___
Number of Vehicles Owned: ___ Number on Cement Blocks____
Truck Equipment: ___Gun Rack ___Pit Bull ___Spit Cup ___Fuzzy Dice ___
Rebel Flag ___Naked Woman Mudflaps ___NWO and/or NRA stickerWeapons Owned: ___Tire Iron ___Pick Handle ___Beer Bottle ___Shotgun
Number of Dogs Owned: ___ Number of Homemade Tattoo: ___
Which of the Following Appliances are in your Front Yard: ___Friggerator ___Heatin Stove ___Warsher ___TV ___Freezer
How Many of the Above Appliances Work: ___
Fav-o-rite Recreation: ___Drinkin ___Cow Chip Throwin ___Possum Huntin ___Crawdad Huntin ___Spittin Backy ___Scratchin ___Watchin Wrasslin
If You Can Read, Which Magazines Do You Prefer: ___Soap Opera Digest___ Rifle and Shotgun ___NWA ___TV Guide ___National Enquirer___True Confessions
Which Stinks Worse: ___Hogpen ___Outhouse ___Spouse
Can You Spell Your Last Name:___Yup ___Nope
Can You Remember Your Last Name: ___Yup ___Nope
Have You Ever Stayed Sober for More Than One Day: ___Yup ___Nope
Do You Know Any Words with More Than 4 Letters: ___Yup ___Nope
Which is CorrectA: ___"I Seed Him" or ___"I Seen Him"
How Many Cartons of Cigarettes Do You Smoke a Day? ___
Math Test: How Many Food Stamps Do the Following Cost? ___Six Pack ___Ciggies ___Shotgun Shells ___Backy ___Prostitute
Number of Times You've Seen: ___a UFO ___ Elvis ___Elvis in a UFO
Health Questionaire: Which of the Following Do You Have?
___Head Lice ___B.O. ___Crabs ___Runny Nose ___BoilsCan You Remember the Last Time You Bathed? ___Yup ___Nope
Color of Teeth: ___Yellow ___Brown ___Black ___N/A
I hereby swear this is the trooth and and sign my "X" on _________19__