Posts by FenceSitter

Apr. 18, 2004. 08:23 AM (EST)

Three U.N. officers die in Kosovo gun battle SHABAN BUZA
REUTERS NEWS AGENCY

KOSOVSKA MITROVICA, Serbia and Montenegro?Two Americans and a Jordanian were shot dead in Kosovo yesterday in a gun battle between members of the United Nations law enforcement mission.

U.N. police spokesperson Neeraj Singh said 10 Americans and one Austrian were also wounded when at least one of a group of Jordanians fired at them.

The Jordanian policeman was killed when the U.S. personnel fired back, he said.

At least one of the dead Americans was reported to be a woman.

The motive for the firefight at a prison in the ethnically divided city of Mitrovica was not immediately clear, U.N. officials said.

Some reports suggested it was caused by an argument over Iraq, but Singh said there had been no communication between the two groups before the shooting started.

The American dead and the wounded were among a group of prison officers who were leaving the jail after completing an induction course, Singh said.

The 10-minute firefight between fellow members of the U.N. force is unprecedented in five years of peacekeeping in Kosovo.

Police of some 30 nations make up the international force of about 3,500.

U.N. police sources said four Jordanian police officers had been arrested in connection with the shooting.

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beauty, brains, money....no luck!

by AuSet in

my sister, who is still in, has just recently graduated from college (four year university) with a good degree and has landed a great job.

its likely that she will never meet a jw man who is completely compatible with her, as she is educated, smart, and makes more money than about half her cong.

combined.

FenceSitter

[. . . . .] they're much more genuine than any JW ever was.

Seems a tad over generalized to be less than a personal axe to grind, IMHO, Sirona.

In any event, gods vigilante will have to learn the truth of this for himself as direct counsel is seldom ever effective. I spoke from good conscience and agree with you: worldly women are not better than JW sisters. Worldly women, in my experience with them, are certainly more "hardcore" than your new light on them and they use escape the same as the sisters in your experience. As they (are encouraged to)answer to no one higher than themselves, by and far, this is a consideration for gods vigilante.

FS.

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beauty, brains, money....no luck!

by AuSet in

my sister, who is still in, has just recently graduated from college (four year university) with a good degree and has landed a great job.

its likely that she will never meet a jw man who is completely compatible with her, as she is educated, smart, and makes more money than about half her cong.

combined.

FenceSitter

I know exactly how your sister feels all too well. Only her relationship with Jehovah is important and there may be a reason why a very intelligent woman has been placed with an atheist (and it might not be a one-way lesson, if you take my meaning). Jehovah does not want to see her sad and he does not want the atheist condemned by his earthly organisation - THIS IS NOT THEIR JOB. Tell her to leave the marking of the heart to Jehovah and his King Christ Jesus. Tell her that is the renewed message of hope for all of us that she has been given to announce to the congregation. Fear in Jehovah's counsel, but not to live a life of fear but to boldly announce the kingdom, for Jehovah is a God of Love, who loved the world so much....

Yes. Such a marriage will have unique problems, and problems in this system are a sign of life. Like breathing in the city. Will the atheist corrupt the Witness? This is not a question that can be answered by anyone but two: your sister and Jehovah. It is their personal relationship not a colective. She should not be a trial to the congregation but a shining blessing, a lamp for all to see: atheists especially, no? A theatrical spectacle as Paul wrote. And, if the question of corruption exists, welcome it. For it means hope for the atheist who has not a fortifying relationship with such a Powerful Being.

This said, she needs to count the cost: good secular advice in the world too. All are sinners and fall short of perfection. JWs are no different. Have her do the exercise on paper. Have her map who she is on paper. Have her look at the different aspects of her life: spiritual, physical, intellectual social and emotional. Have others give her their opinion on what she thinks is her reflection on this paper. Then have her look for her complement in this paper mirror of herself. If the costs are acceptable, then Jehovah gave her a brain and a will and she should proceed with her own decision. If it is wrong, we are imperfect and all fall short of the glory of God.

Otherwise, perfect in the knowledge of good and evil, we would hold ourselves to the standing of a God.....*coughsatanismcough* Anyone that misses the point, setting themself above God as a God has not read the NWV of the Holy Scriptures at 1 Peter 5:3 "....neither as lording over those who are God's inheritance, but becoming examples to the flock."

As for "marry only in the Lord," my interpretation (as good as any Governing Body I'd surmise) is that certainly she should weigh very carefully the place she will put her single freedom. As she first married within the lord (prayerfully approaching Jehovah prior to baptism) so should she approach this second marriage. Marry within the Lord means NOT to seek departure from her marriage contract with her partner later. Therefore, marry within the Lord, means to count the cost as this will be her cup from which she may choose to drink. Yes, marry before Jehovah and physical witnesses, calling upon herself and her partner the blessings of the Creator and His Heavenly Organisation. No matter the loving counsel of the shepherds, they do not live with the decision afterward. It may prove to be a bigger stumbling to your sister not to be married - but only your sister can possibly answer this.

gods vigilante, a word of wisdom if you will pardon my counsel, you will NOT find worldly women much more accepting of you. In fact, if you are genuinely an engenue, they may take advantage of you. The dating game in the world is rough and fast and there is a common justification for what is done as "we used each other," regardless of how demonstratively untrue this statement may be. This may not be something you will have heard from a sister in good standing. If you wish to suss me out on this, I would be more than happy to accept your PM.

FenceSitter.

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Please help me Welcome FenceSitter!!

by Sassy in

jw
friends

we were fortunate to have fencesitter join today and i asked if i may welcome

fencesitter

publicly here so everyone can get a chance to know this new member!

FenceSitter

Well, saving you the trouble of answering the question yourself .... I hired a summoner to contact a demon to make a pact as I was in need of help beyond my personal capability. I went through the Internet looking for someone who would come and perform the ceremony and include me in it - because I am not sucker enough to pay someone to perform I service I might never see. And, since I believe in Jehovah, I believe in the issue of the slander to his name ergo sum: demons/ fallen angels. Angels will not act without direction from Heavenly Jerusalem and my prayers were unheard though the reason for these fervent prayers was not concealed in any cloud - except to my brothers.

So, taking the step to blaspheme was my last action. But, well, you will just have to read about it.

I have read that some people do not believe in demons and witchcraft etc etc... but I was approached by one when I was 15 or 16. Some of you wont believe that but that's what happenned. So I decided to make my appeal to another spiritual government currently granted licence by Jehovah to rule this system of things.

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Please help me Welcome FenceSitter!!

by Sassy in

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friends

we were fortunate to have fencesitter join today and i asked if i may welcome

fencesitter

publicly here so everyone can get a chance to know this new member!

FenceSitter

This is the link I failed to create above. It's another long read.

http://www.occultforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=4397&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

FenceSitter

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Please help me Welcome FenceSitter!!

by Sassy in

jw
friends

we were fortunate to have fencesitter join today and i asked if i may welcome

fencesitter

publicly here so everyone can get a chance to know this new member!

FenceSitter

Well, to bring a focus on myself and some clarity, I must say I have never been baptised. But, as I figure most of you know, the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses is not like being a lapsed Catholic or what-have-you. It is a commitment - a living sacrifice in the words of the Apostle Paul. So, I lived. I was the perpetual student unable to come to a decision that would permit me to be baptised. Still, I defended the truth boldly and with purity. If someone did not want to accept the truth or were not ready to, that was not my problem. I was tolerant as mine is not to judge or to reap but to sow the seed and rely on Jehovah. I walked through many lives like this while I waited my own decision whether or not to proceed with baptism - never touching the unclean thing but having a message for the unrepentant. I was secure that the Society was the channel Jehovah chose as his physical witness on earth. Still, could I measure up?

Well, this question brings me to another fact about myself. I am emotionally high-strung, and it is an uphill battle for me, which this appears when I take my time to compose myself and my response - if one is needed. I do not, or cannot, distinguish between a good emotional response and a bad one except through the time it takes me to process. Therefore, while I act with resolution, I am slow to act.

Also, as I learned late in life when I returned to school at 32 and had testing done, I have pronounced learning difficulties: visual cognitive processing at 47% of North American adults mixed with Adult ADD and co-morbid dyslexia means I force myself to take my time and really read through my own writing again after spell check to make coherent posts. This has led to many frustrating situations because my aural processing is much higher and my use of (verbal) language construction is at the 95% of adults making me much more quick on my feet and a very sharp articulator. But frustrated easily when I have to write, like this, or proof read texts, like this. Forever choking on a leash.

Writting is dead, as Socrates wrote but Plato spoke so I guess I am more alive than dead. Or was that the other way around?

Well, that leads me to the part about my memory, which is at the 27%. This has played out in my inability to memorize my 12 times table, specific formulae and recipies, spelling irregularities, phonetics. However, since I have been studying the bible all my life, I usually find Scripture faster than the bothers.

I have stradled the fence my whole life. I have sought support from within the organisation but it comes down to 0's and 1's and they are happy to have me find my own time but I know I need a decision. The internal pressure is mine and I have done the best I could in the position I was in. But I prayer to Jehovah for help. It was natural to do this because I had a relationship with Jehovah through his Son Christ Jesus and the assured expectation that my prayer would be answered. I was asking for something within Jehovah's plan, which would make me a better witness - if I finally chose baptism. I was counselled to pray also and the counsellors were dissatisfied when my inaction only reflected my unanswered prayer. I was called a test and that my prayer was akin to asking for a red bicycle.

Of course, you might put two-and-two together and deduce I was asking for a complement with a better memory and quicker processing than I. You would be right. I suffered many failed love affairs as I tried to reconcile my beliefs with my needs - heaping more guilt upon me. But without marriage as a goal, my consort's actual participation in my life was close to nil. Despite the complementive nature of the relationships, the desire to marry me never materialised. The majority of the time, I was seeking marriage with my consort rather than sex and this would be honest to state. But I was not worldly so I trust many of you will believe it.

Some of my "spiritual bothers" did question my motives. But, not being a brother myself, marrying a sister was out of the question. But marriage to a sister was a paradox anyway and I only hope you can understand the paradox to which I refer. Baptism followed by marriage was the carrot held out to me. But my relationship with Jehovah had always been an honest one with myself and I did not think this would be an appropriate "deal" to make - supposing such could one be made. Besides, I am who I am and I am not for every woman: not everyone is or wants to be my complement. Sex would be easy - any woman could provide that and I could see my brothers had no concept of what is marriage to me.

I started to draw away when I perceived the Annointed could not understand the simple and basic marriage arrangement. I perceived this through the elders who could not understand my incompleteness and search to become one flesh, over 30 years of asking such questions. Yes, I was 7 when I began searching myself to find out who I was to become: the first step to finding and accepting another. I dated a very advanced 12-year old briefly when I was 8. By the time I was 16, the sense of hopelessness was profound.

My first failed suicide attempt was when I was 19. The elders rallied around me, and I went away to school. I decided that I had been kept alive for a reason. My Friend, Jehovah, had intervened and there was more for me. My second failed attempt was 15 years later. How I was saved I do not know. I said my prayer, explaining to Jehovah that I did not wish to die but I was unable to live a life of frustration. I would be better if I were to sleep and leave my judgement to him. My doors locked from the outside, 60 sleeping pills swallowed and sea-sick pills beforehand while the plastic bag on my head filled with hellium, I do not know how I survived to awaken in a hospital. I even past the psychological tests that allowed my prompt release.

An acquaintance of mine, an Iranian battlefield doctor, tells me she suffered a terrible episode with me while she stayed over to care for me. She truly understood the meaning of loneliness and spoke to me of her culture and that loneliness was a sin - where arranged marriage was prevalent.

So, I did a quick assassment of where I needed to put myself so as to find my complement. I made the last effort I could in my sincerity to find a complement: I came to Poland. I arrived with $100.00 in my pocket and faith that I would not be denied if I just went the extra mile. I do not know Polish, I do not know anyone here to speak of, and I am in the most desperate position in my life. I did find someone who is complementary to me here but this has fallen apart, tragically.

I have no illusion about being saved by Jehovah anymore. I doubt the validity of this organisation that can explain the books of Daniel and Revelations yet miss the simplicity of Genesis and Jehovah's first community arrangement. I doubt that these Annointed men can validate their Annointed status. I cannot make my reasoned reply from Scripture (which would be the only way for me to decide on my baptism) but I am left only to look at my experience concerning a simple prayer I made simply and the misinterpretation from Jehovah's Witnesses.

So, what is a man of God to do when God does not answer? I turned to magic and Satan to assist me, obviously: I sought [url=http://www.occultforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=4397&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15] to summon a demon[/url]. And here you will find the events that followed.

I know this is a very long post but I have left out much that would justify my actions to myself. This is reportage for my introduction. Whether or not I believe in demons or spirits or whatever else is not the topic I came here to discuss. I am not certain what to discuss. I know I need more than myself to get past this period. I am at the lowest point in my life, and I urge you to read what has been my experience over the last several months on the other BBS through the link. No-one has a hope of understanding me and my situation without knowing the organisation with which I associated my life for so long and the meaning - for me - of seeking demonic assistance.

I am not a crackpot. I am honest. I need your help. What that means I do not know. I do know I cannot be alone any more - despite all the other deep shit I am in and should be concerned with. As you read my Thread on the other BBS, just ask yourself how differently I would be able to react to the given situations with a Polish complement in my life, and I am confident many of you will see what has been my buggaboo the majority of my life. For what I need and seek it so easily related to Maslow's rating of sex and what I seek is too often confused with sex. But it is not a plentitude or dearth of sex that has put me where I am today.

If, in the end, there is no magic then there is no God and no real concept behind spirituality beyond the emotional value each of us place inside it and the intellectual capital we use to explain it logically. I hope someone, preferably someone I can actually talk to, will understand this.

FenceSitter

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Please help me Welcome FenceSitter!!

by Sassy in

jw
friends

we were fortunate to have fencesitter join today and i asked if i may welcome

fencesitter

publicly here so everyone can get a chance to know this new member!

FenceSitter

Wow... It's like being in the Hall everyone coming to me with greetings. First, I must say I am very low right now. It is a very big effort to reach out and I am in such deep trouble that I do not know how long I can be amongst you. I am very demoralized and my typing probably reflects it. I must have clicked the wrong symbol as I am a man. Well, I am male anyway. A man should not be in the position I find myself in. I can only imagine what my writing must read like. I don't have my dyslexia under the best control at the moment.

So, thank you very much, one-and-all for the welcome. I really need some friends and my options (being in Catholic Poland, JW assoc., being destitute and illegal in this country, etc..) are limited. I could really use a hug. The God of Fatherless Boys seems to be away from the office and with an indefinite return.

Let me correct my profile symbol. And check my profile for spelling and coherence. But first thank you very much.