i approach this thread with some trepidation.
i understand that most of us here have had a bad to terrible experience with an organization that is highly judgmental and vengeful in its approach to its members.
so i post this with the utmost respect toward all who wish to read it.
Thanks Marcos.... most of what I have learned has made me into what I feel is a better person. I did it for the kids, but also for me.
You would be surprised at how many people took what I wrote so personal, and went on the attack. I guess some just dont get it.
Animal
i approach this thread with some trepidation.
i understand that most of us here have had a bad to terrible experience with an organization that is highly judgmental and vengeful in its approach to its members.
so i post this with the utmost respect toward all who wish to read it.
Exactly. I am always teaching the guys in our motorcycle group to NOT show thier emotions on thier shirtsleeves. Make others do that, then you know where they are before you go on the offensive. It works great, plus you never open yourself up to the emotional attacks so many others enjoy.
I always am amazed at how many hits a thread will get when someone is ripe for an attack, how many are so quick to go for blood. Maybe it's just me, but doesnt that seem strange coming from a group so tired of being in an oppresive Borg? It cracks me up most of the time.
Animal
taming of a beast.
it was back in 1993, the last day of work before christmas.
70 of us were laid off that day (after 6 months notice), and left at lunch, never to go back.
All the replies here are great and appreciated. I figured that I would step on a few nerves with my post also, which I did. The emails I got about this post were, to say the least, interesting.
2 emails in particular were touching, to me. You both know who you are, and know that even when I tire of this board, you both are welcome to keep in touch with me. You, and many that replied here in this thread, are the main reason I keep reading here.
I am in no need of help in getting away from JW's, or need to learn how to "hide out" from elders knocking on my door, nor do I wish to get into infantile arguments about "Who likes Bush". I mainly enjoy the fun stuff on this board, like mouthy not needing a pecker warmer, only the pecker.
In closing, let me add some of the info that grabbed my attention. Take it for what its worth:
Symptoms of Codependency:
Inability to know what "normal" is.
Difficulty in following a project through.
Difficulty having fun.
Judging self, others without mercy.
Low self esteem, often projected onto others. (eg: Why don't they get their act together!)
Difficulty in developing or sustaining meaningful relationships.
Belief that others cause or are responsible for the codependent's emotions.
(Codependents often use language like "you make me feel ______", or "I was made to feel like____")
Overreacting to change. (or intense fear of / inability to deal with change.)
Inability to see alternatives to situations, thus responding very impulsively.
Constantly seeking approval and affirmation, yet having compromised sense of self.
Feelings of being different.
Confusion and sense of inadequacy.
Being either super responsible or super irresponsible. (Or alternating between these.)
Lack of self confidence in making decisions, no sense of power in making choices.
Feeling of fear, insecurity, inadequacy, guilt, hurt, and shame which are denied.
Isolation and fear of people, resentment of authority figures.
Fear of anger or bottling anger up till it explodes.
Hypersensitivity to criticism.
Being addicted to excitement / drama. (Chaos making.)
Dependency upon others and fear of abandonment.
Avoidance of relationships to guard against abandonment fears.
Confusion between love and pity.
Tendency to look for "victims" to help.
Rigidity and need to control.
Lies, when it would be just as easy to tell the truth.
Are you codependent?
Melody Beattie, author of Codependent No More developed this check list:
Do you feel responsible for other people--their feelings, thoughts, actions, choices, wants, needs, well-being and destiny?
Do you feel compelled to help people solve their problems or by trying to take care of their feelings?
Do you find it easier to feel and express anger about injustices done to others than about injustices done to you?
Do you feel safest and most comfortable when you are giving to others?
Do you feel insecure and guilty when someone gives to you?
Do you feel empty, bored and worthless if you don't have someone else to take care of, a problem to solve, or a crisis to deal with?
Are you often unable to stop talking, thinking and worrying about other people and their problems?
Do you lose interest in your own life when you are in love?
Do you stay in relationships that don't work and tolerate abuse in order to keep people loving you?
Do you leave bad relationships only to form new ones that don't work, either?
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How did you answer these questions?
Animal
i approach this thread with some trepidation.
i understand that most of us here have had a bad to terrible experience with an organization that is highly judgmental and vengeful in its approach to its members.
so i post this with the utmost respect toward all who wish to read it.
Many on this site judge, purposely or otherwise, with thier words. Bitterness, ego, or any or the many other reasons. Many are still JW's in thier heart, just not in thier typing.
Animal
u apostates.... fallen ones..... spiritually weak ones.....whatever u want to call u r selfs make me sick... all u display is hate.
quit u r pathetic crusade to destroy the wts.
u r childish " if i cant have it... no one can" attitude.. apostate 1) " once at a meeting a talk was given and the elder said we should pray for the spiritually weak ones in the cong!!!!!!..
Yep.. Jim Jones' people thought he was right also.... all the way to thier death.
Animal
how do you feel about yourself?
do you struggle with what kind of person that you are?
do you feel happy, empty, or are are you apathetic?
OH.. I just have big hands....
Animal
how do you feel about yourself?
do you struggle with what kind of person that you are?
do you feel happy, empty, or are are you apathetic?
I am having her make me two and sew them into one.....
Animal
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me!!!!!!
!http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=42900&page=1&site=3#602139
ya.... or wear a glove.
Animal
as some of you know, i commute from phoenix, az to los angeles for my job.
it will last thru january.. several of us have been unsuccessful in getting together thus far, but came up with a plan during a weekend i am there.
i will be staying over thru the weekend of january 4th, in the hotel in el segundo, http://www.embassysuites.com/en/es/hotels/index.jhtml?ctyhocn=laxeses .. the hotel has a happy hour from 530pm to 730pm, guests are included.
Excellent.... call my celphone thursday sometime.
Animal
how do you feel about yourself?
do you struggle with what kind of person that you are?
do you feel happy, empty, or are are you apathetic?
Yours will have to be a short one mac... good thing your name is short too.....
Animal
