Posts by XQsThaiPoes

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WTS hypocrisy? What exactly do you mean?

by Pole in

from what i've noticed so far, an awful lot of posts on this board deal with watchtower hypocrisy which has been manifest both in their doctrines and in their double-dealing with many issues.. a few all-time classics would include:.

1) secret association with the un.

2) 1975 / generation 1914 doctrine changes.

XQsThaiPoes

I don't think any of it fits them.

THe watchtower is different than JWs. For example if you have a child in the circuit work or at bethel they fire you. So how can they have a child molestation policy if they have no children?

I think what happens is like all companies the watchtower comes up with a product line. THe product either does not sell, is not reliable, or is defective. So they can it. Products that are smash hits like the paradise earth are still going strong. Products that were defective have had to be recalled and serviced or replaced. Such as 1914 or devil aluminum. Oh and there is a corilation between anluminum oxide in anti perspirant and cancer of the lymph glands. Apparently by not sweating toxins pool in your under arm area to the point of giving some people cancer.

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Helping JWs out of the Watchtower

by Tower Man in

jw
friends

i have written a simulated dialogue between 2 jws and a homeowner at the door.

it focuses on the society's false prophecies and how to use them to undermine the watchtower's authority over a witness.

if you'd like to read it, here it is:

XQsThaiPoes

Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a ?prophet? of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record. What does it show?? I think that claiming to be God?s prophet is a very serious claim and shouldn?t be taken lightly. But I like the fact that the Watchtower doesn?t just claim to be a prophet but that it encourages people to ?review the record? to see what it shows.

The problem is that by chance or design the watchtower is not much of a prophet let alone a false one. It is a claim or slogan. Like BMW's "Ultimate Driving Machine". Thats a serious claim too isn't it.

The watchtower is not a person. It can't be a prophet anymore than it can be a doctor lawyer or plumber. I think being truthful with JWs is better than just hypothetically ambushing them with insane prooftexting that does not apply. A better response would be. "So how are JWs coping with the loss of the governing body insight on the board of directors?" "Now that it is just a normal corporation now how did it effect moral of the JW church?"

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Watchtower Business Model

by little witch in

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friends

did you ever wonder why the watchtower fusses over such silly and minute rules?

things like smoking, dress, music, dance, movies, language, what company you keep, what and how you celebrate?

let's consider a few factors.

XQsThaiPoes

Oh but just as other businesses, there is a top who benifits financially (private jets, alaskan vacations, etc) People do not devote themselves to a corporation in this country and in this day and age without a benifit. Dont fool yourself.

If you are head of a multi billion dollar holdings company, and all you have to show for it is a ride in a private jet, and a vacation in alaska you are living less than large. That sounds impressive to the average joe like me, but considering what they control the pope has more "bling bling". Trust me these guys are all poor. If they got fired today I would almost bet you all I have most boardmembers would have less than 1 million dollars in assets in their "other pants". Maybe we should ask ray franz how much jehovah swag he got to carry out with him?

Not even a single scholarship for promising and talented JW youngsters is offered by the society.

They give them away all the time. Unfortunately you have to go to bethel and then they have to decide you are loyal enought to devout your professional services to them once you get out of school and you wont spill the beans.

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Watchtower Business Model

by little witch in

jw
friends

did you ever wonder why the watchtower fusses over such silly and minute rules?

things like smoking, dress, music, dance, movies, language, what company you keep, what and how you celebrate?

let's consider a few factors.

XQsThaiPoes

Ultimately, the watchtower is a publishing company out to make a profit...yes I know they are a "non-profit" organization, but that doesnt mean they are not making money. It simply means they do not have to pay taxes.

No they are not to make a profit. THat is what makes people so embittered. After all their toiling no indiviual has anything to show for it. The watchtower is a piece of paper that owns things. It is non profit so it does not pay dividend or share holders or even a big cheese at the top. Like an alter to god what ever you put forth is consumed by the flame. The flame gets bigger but returns nothing except heat, flash, and smoke.

JWs is only a fan base and distribution net work.No different than the kids that hang out in comic book stores. The Co is really the only watchtower man most JW can talk to and meet. And just like a politician he rarely even awnsers what you really want to know unless painted into a corner.

The reasonthe watchtower trys to put itself into your life is because it is a consumer brand. Most brands only want you to engage in activities sponsored by them. Notice the difference between the assembly model of behavior (being told to dine afterwards, dress inpressively, and leave large tips) vs the more meager at home model.

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...they neither marry, nor are given in marriage...

by Tashawaa in

one of the hardest doctrines of the witnesses that i couldn't wrap my little brain around, was the teaching that the resurrected would not marry.. i remember one assembly, a whole talk was spent on the resurrection, and emphasis was placed on the fact that they would not marry.

the couple sitting in front of me (obviously a happy couple, 'cause this distressed them) whispered how they just couldn't believe it.. here's the scripture they use to back their doctrine:.

matt 22:22-33 specifically vs 30 "for in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as angels in heaven...".

XQsThaiPoes

Well obviously you cant get married so you'll just live together and have sex. It won't be premarital sex because Jesus said you can get married. Since you wont be paying taxes, be making in medical dicisions, or inheirting anything who needs to get married.

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Organ transplants

by XQsThaiPoes in

i was reading about organ transplants.

it they seem to be much like the space shuttle a working prototype.

from what i have read you basically trade diseases.

XQsThaiPoes

True I am all for human experimentation. It makes things better. I am not saying people that submit to it are stupid. You are terminaly I'll for most of the risky transplants. Infact in many countries the reason the odds for transplantation are so good is not because of better technology but because they only allow the lowest risk patients to have the transplants. I am saying I could not see the reason most people would suffer so much for so little personal gain, when it would be cheaper and less grulling to simply die of your original disease.

My Drs wanted me to consider having a bone marrow transplant. It was expiermental (it had been done before but only a hand full of times) and because I was one of their healthier patients they wanted me to consider it. It would cure my cronic anemia. After a few consultations I relized that it just was not worth it. They decided to go with a patient that was in the early stages of kidney failure from too many blood transfusions. It was a sucess but he told me that the 18 month period of not having a immune almost killed him several times. His kidneys I believe returned to normal. I see why he choose his choice it was deciding to have 2 diseases or 0.

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Organ transplants

by XQsThaiPoes in

i was reading about organ transplants.

it they seem to be much like the space shuttle a working prototype.

from what i have read you basically trade diseases.

XQsThaiPoes

The more important thing to be looking at, is the risk of post operative infection, invasive fungal infections which kill more people after surgery than transplants do.

Um yeah thats what I said can't really fight disease with out an immune system.

You first post makes the ludicrous implication that all organs are infected w/some disease.

No I am making the assumption that you may wana have good immune system and not a chemically supressed one. Not going outside, eating lettuce, shushi, or having the liberty of acidentaly cutting your self is not fun.

You body's rejection is not due to the organ being infected, but simply not always being a perfect match.

Uh yeah. No duh. Thats what I said. It sucks if you have a "good" immune system that does its job and is very adept at recognizing foreign tissue. And God forbid you have had lots of blood transfusions that trains your immune system to look for other human tissue of that type and kill it (not blood type btw).

Which can be worked around with medications and drugs to shut off the body's assault on the new tissue

This is a god aweful bad thing in real life. And I really did not care about getting infections from organs you will most likely get infections from your enviroment. If running around with a suppressed immune system is so great why is HIV such a headliner? When you reject an organ you destroy it. Because there is no dip stick, gauge or idiot light to check when your body decides to lauch a sneak attack you can just break your brand new heart or lung or whatever. So a organ that was perfectly good is for the last six months since your transplant just got fried. So what do you do? YOu get another one, but guess what your body knows that for some reason various strains of human keep poping up on the radar. So the next transplant is even less likely to work.

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Organ transplants

by XQsThaiPoes in

i was reading about organ transplants.

it they seem to be much like the space shuttle a working prototype.

from what i have read you basically trade diseases.

XQsThaiPoes

To Bryan that is wonderful. I am happy you two are doing fine. Kidney transplants have high sucess rates.

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CNN , Headline News , and 1914 , hhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm !!!!!!!!!!

by run dont walk in

saw a great little piece on headline news or cnn the other night, they showed a memorial celebration of the 90th year of world war one.

now think about this, how many veterans do you think attended from world war one ???????.

the one veteran who layed down a wreath, was 108, and he talked a little, the best he could, and thanking his fellow war heroes.. this piece really hit home with me, because, didn't the watchtower once say, the generation of 1914 will not pass away, remember the early teaching, "they would have to be able to understand the things going on", "first started with 15 years olds, then ten year old, then can't be babies born, then can be babies born.

XQsThaiPoes

first tanks, first chemical warfare, first fighter planes. If that is not land mark then maybe i miss your definition. God you think ever one that is a jehovahs witness is an idiot. There have been other bad wars the tread was on 1914 and world war 1. sorry if you missed that.

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CNN , Headline News , and 1914 , hhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm !!!!!!!!!!

by run dont walk in

saw a great little piece on headline news or cnn the other night, they showed a memorial celebration of the 90th year of world war one.

now think about this, how many veterans do you think attended from world war one ???????.

the one veteran who layed down a wreath, was 108, and he talked a little, the best he could, and thanking his fellow war heroes.. this piece really hit home with me, because, didn't the watchtower once say, the generation of 1914 will not pass away, remember the early teaching, "they would have to be able to understand the things going on", "first started with 15 years olds, then ten year old, then can't be babies born, then can be babies born.

XQsThaiPoes

You I think are off Johnny. You would need you be a bible student not a soldier. THe watchtower claims the nations were blind to the obvious events of invisible spirit creatures in heaven, and were egotistically being macho by engaging in mass carnage. The think is I don't know any 108 year old JWs that were bible students and knew that in 1914 the king jesus kingdom was set up. Remember nothing on earth was related to the prophecy.