It was the same with ourselves. We had already seen the errors of the WTS before we ever read Ray's book. It merely confirmed what we already knew. We didn't get information from any outside sources until after we left.
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Just finished Crisis of Conscience (first time), now I understand why...
by AuldSoul ini have just completed crisis of conscience.
now i understand why my father, the co, the wts and every other elder who came to my home asked if i had read the book.. i had not.
however, the argumentation stylesup to and including the focus in my letters on the paired issues of candor and humilityas well as the bulk of the scriptures used by brother franz and others were present in my letters.. this shows their hubris to an even greater degree.
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Scriptures You Will Not Hear At The 2-04-06 Church Sermon.
by scout575 in"for moses said unto the fathers, "a prophet ( jesus - verse 20 ) shall the lord your god raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me, him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
and it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
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Scout, yes. I read your post on Blondie's thread, before you started this one. I didn't realize you were concentrating on the NT though. Sorry, I posted an OT sample.
From the comments, there seemed to be a bit of confusion. I didn't think it was my place to speak for you.
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Scriptures You Will Not Hear At The 2-04-06 Church Sermon.
by scout575 in"for moses said unto the fathers, "a prophet ( jesus - verse 20 ) shall the lord your god raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me, him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
and it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
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Scout, I don't think people are getting the gist of your thread.
Here's a scripture that isn't used much. Ezekiel 34:17 - 24. It's rather long to type out and I don't know how to cut and paste. But here's a little bit of it. "Here I am, I myself, and I shall certainly judge between a plump sheep and a lean sheep, for the reason that with flank and with shoulder you kept pushing and with your horns you kept shoving all the sickened ones until you had scattered them to the outside." NWT It describes what goes on at the KH very well.
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I'm new here.
by The inhey everyone, as the subject might sugest... im new here!
they say first impressions last and i hope i make.
this a good one.. .
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Everybody welcome Anneshirley new member!
by mkr32208 inmy wife finally joined!
her user name is anneshirley!
everyone make her feel welcome please!
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Hi AnneShirley,
Welcome to the board.
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four years of liberty
by south african beef inhi everyone this is my first post!
got d'fed 4 years ago for liking/loving another ministerial servants wife.
happily married to her now!
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Hi S.A.B. and Bubble. Welcome to the board.
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my children are finally coming b ack to me....
by orbison11 inoh i am so excited .
last december child # 3 phoned after 7 years to meet with me,,,oh so good, with a slow but steady relationship .
child #1 , dtr, is still distant, but busy with her career and 2 children(but now her 15 yr old dtr is giving her a run for her money---->>>>pay back time lol) .
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What wonderful news!!!!
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Ever BUILD a Kingdom Hall?
by Gregor ini was involved in several, starting when i was about 10 or 11 with jobs like sweeping up sawdust or picking up loose nails.
i loved it.
once, when i was about 22 we were building the kh south of santa barbara in carpinteria.
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uninformed,
My information came directly from the people making the money. I don't believe I've ever stated that this was the common experience. They never said that they were volunteers. The official propoganda machine said they were volunteers.
My position on this issue is that the WTS had their own "greedy manipulative purposes" to serve. I have absolutely nothing against workers being paid for their hard work, or professionals being reimbursed for expenses. But why keep it hidden?
There was a "grey area". Everyone knew the "worldly" contractors were paid and that supplies had to be bought. Then comes this grey area. Some of the JWs were in the same role as the "worldly" contractors and suppliers. Some were in the position of only being reimbursed for "expenses". Some did the work completely at their own expense. But all the JWs involved were presented in the same light. Both to the congregation and the newspapers. This is the point I find fault with.
At the time, it was a source of uneasiness. How could Jehovah's clean and holy organization misrepresent the truth? The first in a long line of lies that we caught them at.
That's all it means to me. But please bear with the people who are just finding out and are dealing with the shock. I don't think they mean to be disparaging about the hard work done by the brothers. A little indignation upon finding out that they were lied to and manipulated is understandable.
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Ever BUILD a Kingdom Hall?
by Gregor ini was involved in several, starting when i was about 10 or 11 with jobs like sweeping up sawdust or picking up loose nails.
i loved it.
once, when i was about 22 we were building the kh south of santa barbara in carpinteria.
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Uninformed,
First off, I've never felt "angry" about the whole thing. What I expressed was that I felt "uneasy". I don't know why you think that I'm upset with you or any of the hard-working tradespeople. I'm upset with the propoganda machine, otherwise known as the WBTS. For their own purposes they gave it a spin that was not real.
The contractors that I first heard this from were friends. There was an economic downturn in the area at that time. A sizeable part of their income was from "quickbuilds". It was what kept them afloat. Do I blame them for taking money for their hard work? No. Do I blame the "spin doctors" of the WTS for presenting a false picture? Yes. It's just another example of them twisting the facts for their own greedy, manipulative purposes.
You didn't address my other point. The professionals, who were there representing their trade, but never received pay. At one quick-build, one of them was quite dumbfounded to find out that some were getting money.
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Money in the Organization
by architect inimagine if all 98,000 +/- congregations donated an avg.
of $100.00 a month, for 12 months how rich does that make the wtbs?
....sorry its unrighteous riches..
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And, don't forget the donation that's made at every circuit assembly, special talk and district convention.
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