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  Pyramid Schemes - Melaleuca - MLM

  by NOdenial in

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  ok... this topic will probably get some people quite upset - but i am going to say it anyways.

  the topic of 'con artist types' in the borg reminded me of this issue.. where i come from in western canada and usa, there is a huge issue of dubs getting involved in melaleuca.

  there is one brother in the interior of british columbia that is making much more money in a month than most people make in a year.

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  WP...

  I love the comment about JW's actually having some MLM qualities. I never thought about it that way.

  Do the CO's benefit from the elder's successes?

  Do the elders benefit from the MS's successes?

  Do the MS's benefit from the publisher's (in their book study group) successes? (I know I did...)

  Do the publisher's benefit from their bible study's successes? (think about the experiences at the assembly)

  ... Thus - when the DO talked about the ministry statistics within the hall, there was 'con'mendation given to the audience.

  I am embarrassed to admit to my history with the borg... sigh...

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  Pyramid Schemes - Melaleuca - MLM

  by NOdenial in

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  ok... this topic will probably get some people quite upset - but i am going to say it anyways.

  the topic of 'con artist types' in the borg reminded me of this issue.. where i come from in western canada and usa, there is a huge issue of dubs getting involved in melaleuca.

  there is one brother in the interior of british columbia that is making much more money in a month than most people make in a year.

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  Paintsville Kentucky??

  by Junction-Guy in

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  i am just curious if anyone on this board is from paintsville ky?

  anybody have family from that area?

  i practically grew up in that area.. .

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  I know Terry Savage from Pikesville pretty well... I see him every year at one of my trade conventions.

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  All voices raised in song please ///78 today

  by mouthy in

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  i expect at least 1 good wishes...please!!!!

  !

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  (((Mouthy)))

  Happy Birthday

  Hope you are having a wonderful day!!!

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  Pyramid Schemes - Melaleuca - MLM

  by NOdenial in

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  ok... this topic will probably get some people quite upset - but i am going to say it anyways.

  the topic of 'con artist types' in the borg reminded me of this issue.. where i come from in western canada and usa, there is a huge issue of dubs getting involved in melaleuca.

  there is one brother in the interior of british columbia that is making much more money in a month than most people make in a year.

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  OK... this topic will probably get some people quite upset - but I am going to say it anyways. The topic of 'con artist types' in the borg reminded me of this issue.

  Where I come from in Western Canada and USA, there is a huge issue of Dubs getting involved in MELALEUCA. There is one brother in the interior of British Columbia that is making MUCH more money in a month than most people make in a year. No doubt - many of his clients are other Witnesses.

  Aside from the morality of being invloved in such schemes... I have a problem associating with anyone whose friendship with me is not transparent. They always seem to have an alterior motive.

  Did you know Dubs that got caught up in this kind of stuff? What did it do to their relationships in the hall?

  NOdenial...

  PS... I HATE Melaluca crap! It makes me sick - and I feel their claims of it's medicinal and anti-microbial qualities are grossly misrepresented. But that's just MY opinion.
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  ... What is "TRUTH"???...

  by NOdenial in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  over the course of my three year 'fade' from the borg, i have done a lot of additional reading of all those books that we were told in the hall to avoid.

  you know... they are in libraries, the local book store... even on-line!

  it's called ... research!

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  Over the course of my three year 'fade' from the borg, I have done a lot of additional reading of all those books that we were told in the hall to avoid. You know... they are in libraries, the local book store... even on-line! It's called ... research! Every single book that I picked up increased my realization that religion feeds us only a fraction of the spiritual food available to us.

  This book called the "Bible" is a filtered compilation of a select few records that is supposed to give us all that we need to make choices for our life and direct our relationship with a creator.

  Bullsh!t.... (!!!)

  I have just finished reading a book: Beyond Belief - the Gospel of Thomas, by Elaine Pagels. One of the fascinating things that this book outlines is how the concept that God always had a 'true religion' on earth is a totally falacy. As Witnesses we were taught that the gospels in the Bible were accurate accounts according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. What was the matter with me? Even in the All Scripture is Inspired book it clearly stated that these records were written many decades after Jesus even died. In all likelihood, these accounts were written by those that followed the interpretation of Jesus' life by Matthew... or Mark... or Luke... and John. Heavens! There were Christian sects from the minute Jesus died!... from AMONG the apostles! Matthew had a group that followed HIS rendition of Jesus' life. So did Mark! ... and Luke... Why there were even followers of Thomas's teachings and even JUDAS! Wow! It wasn't so different then from what we have today!

  Even more amazing is how much contempt I have developed for this dude called "John"! What a manipulating, politically driven jerk! Why would John (and consequently the Christian Church) put so much emphasis on the diety of Jesus... that he was God made manifest in human form (John 1:1) - when the other three accounts (and most of the Gnostic Gospels found among the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Nag Hammadi) outline how sprituality and "God" can be found with each of us through searching and reflection? ("We are made in God's image" - so we possess God within ourselves)

  And WHO is this clown named Paul... who was a persecutor and KILLER of Christians ... then apparently sees a vision and 'converts'.... and THEN (omg!! ) ... he has the BALLS to go and say that he was "an apostle of Christ!". Whatever! Some may struggle to even call him a 'disciple' - let alone his inflated claim that he was an apostle! He never even WALKED with Jesus! Yet look at the many acounts that we give to Paul's writings! Sheesh!

  I'm angry that religion has confined me to such a SMALL box! aaaargh!!!

  In my mind, I feel that any organized 'religion' that wishes to help the followers find 'truth' - should present ALL written accounts and records of the life of Christ so that we can discern the validity of each record on its own merit. Further... there should not be ANY authority within that religion that could censor these records from the members. (Give me a copy of the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Nag Hammadi... and let's start studying THAT!)

  I hate religion!

  Thought for the day: "Religion is a BOX!!"

  NO...denial
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  586/587 the K.I.S.S. approach --- no VAT4956, Ptolemy, Josephus needed

  by Alleymom in

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  nabonidus -- 17 years.

  nebuchadnezzar -- 43 years.

  nabonidus -- 17 years

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  This is the first time that I have read this thread.

  If I had this information 5 years ago - I wouldn't have had half the internal agonizing with leaving the borg.

  Great information Alleymom.

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  Anyone here from Sechelt British Columbia congregation 70's to mid eighties

  by Flindersgirl in

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  cheers!

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  I knew the MacBeths that were there for many years 1960 to 1980. I even went to their hall a few times when I stayed with them.

  Actually, they were in Gibsons... that is probably a different hall.

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  How do you know when your spouse is cheating on you?

  by Thegoodgirl in

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  okay, i know this is personal, but i kind of like the annoninimity of the board versus asking my friends who are all also friends with my husband.. my husband went out of the country with a group from work this weekend.

  i was supposed to go but had to cancel due to other stuff.

  it turned out only 4 ended up going, my husband, a guy, and two women.

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  thegoodgirl...

  I feel so bad for you for going through this difficult time. I think there is very little that any of us can do to help you find out FOR SURE if your husband is cheating on you. (aside from you buying a ticket and spying on them, or hiring a private detective in that area to find out on your behalf). But is that really necessary?!

  You feel suspicious and betrayed (and I feel appropriately so!). Perhaps a few objective words from someone that is a complete 'outsider'. (and a person that has gone through a huge betrayal by my first wife... and a painful and expensive divorce)

  "IF" your husband has found it appropriate or necessary to cheat on you... this says more about HIM than it does you! I know this will be one of the hardest things to accept - but it is true. It will have been his character that is lacking, not yours. Smile... you are the person that has character that holds strong even when tempted by another. "IF" your husband has found it impossible to hold true to your marriage... then it just shows that you had different values on this relationship. It hurts to acknowledge... but it is an objective truth.

  Someone told me once: "Life is not a dress rehearsal". With this in mind, "IF" your husband has found that an affair or 'one-night-stand' is more important to him than a solid marriage with a life partner, then, it may be appropriate to smile and accept that. YOU will have learned about his priorities in life, and you both will have deserved better: You deserve a person with a firm resolve to hold to something bigger than an evening with emotionless sensation... and he deserves the life and disappointment that comes with a teenager's partying lifestyle (or the life that comes with this other woman. He only has one chance at his life - remember? He is abligated to find what makes him happy. You can't fight that.)

  It is a powerful statement to a man - when you, the person that he betrayed, approaches his infidelity with a mature, centered, unemotional response... that reflects how immature his choices have been. Can he win you back? That is only for YOU to decide. (although I have strong reservations on believing that the trust could ever be truly rebuilt. And 'trust' is critical to any peaceful relationship.)

  So...thegoodgirl... now it's up to you. What do YOU want from your relationship? Remove the image of your husband from your mind and write it down. Be objective and true to yourself. Once it is written down, ask yourself if you believe that your husband fills that role. (Your husband may have done this exercise already without you even knowing it - and that might be the reason why this situation with this other woman has happened)

  If he doesn't fit that role.... then I ask you to consider: "Life is not a dress rehearsal".

  I wish you the ability to find the inner peace to sort through this nightmare. I know it won't be easy. Additionally, in response to your comment that you are shaking... I strongly encourage you to see your doctor and see if he will prescribe something like Xanax or something that will diminish your anxiety level. I have been there.

  Take care...

  NOdenial
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  JW CONNECTIONS.COM------Check It Out! You Can Date A Nice JW!

  by minimus in

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  and they got pics too!

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  Oh my Gawd... now here is a person that really has direction in life! LOL NOdenial... Snaggle Sister, 22, Single Creston BC, British Columbia, Canada

  Personal Eye Color: Blue Hair Color: Blonde Height: 5' 7" Body Type: Slender Race: Caucasian Marital Status: Single Has Children: No Wants Children: Not sure Occupation: Other profession Education: High School Languages: My Favorite Scripture Revelations 21:4 Introduction Well my name is Debbie, Im not really here for any particular reason, I supposed that an abundance of spare time has something to do with it. So yeah, Im looking for people to chat with from all over All About Me Well this just happens to be my favorite topic, I can go on and on about myself, but I won't, only if you write me or I write you will i punish you with all the boring details Jehovah and His Organization Well like many, I have struggle, but I don't look back on that as a bad thing, it gave me a good look at what else the world has to offer, as it turns out, its not to great. Now I truely appreciate how lucky we are to be part of Jehovahs Organization. What I am looking for. Ok I'll admitt it right away, Im a little conceited, but I also like people who are a little conceited, ok maybe thats not true, but I don't know what to write here, if I knew what I was looking for Id be with that person, but Im not so, thats why Im here, maybe you're what Im looking for!?