JWs are spiritual predators. Yes they want to teach your kids, and by doing so they think they're saving them. The meetings and the teachings are manipulative and designed to get in the minds and hearts of people. Get your children away from them. There are JWs that foster kids just to make money and preach to them. Do not allow your most vulnerable around them. They can be good people at heart but they are around a toxic environment that is spiritually abusive. Part of the lure is that they are often nice people. Sometimes nice people get caught up in really insidious things though.
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Please help
by Dano3456 inmy wife and i are not religious nor do we want to be.
we are very set in our spiritual beliefs.
we have worked with a jw who's family have been like a part of our family for 6 years.
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I found an old pamphlet in one of my JW books. About the Hoxsey cure
by JimmyYoung ini found a pamphlet in one of my old bound vol.
a 1969 awake, that had a pamphlet from a senator who gave a speech on the hoxsey cure.
i know of several jws who went to mexico and got this treatment.
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Wait, so the JWs have a history steeped in quackery then? I always wondered why people in my congregation went to flea market docs, literally buying bullshit from the flea market because everyone knows if you drop $150 on both rental you're a healer for sure. Iridology and reflexology, getting toxins out of your feet, oil pulling, etc. There was a sister in Indiana with a magic machine. A sister in Tennessee with magic beans of some sort, pills in supplement form. Funny how the evil medical establishment just wants your money but Bob and Mary sell you things proven to do nothing yet you willingly reach in your pockets for cash while praising them.
A sister at our KH with 2 kids died young. Rather than getting real medical help for the cancer she had she invested in all the quackery. They had a part on a meeting asking for money later to send her to New York to specialists. She finally went and the actual doctors said there was nothing they could do. The tumors were allowed to grow for too long and she was too compromised.
My mom was playing cards with a little old sister who pulled out a little box and shocked herself. It was a box of Radio Shock parts and batteries with leads coming out. She was shocking her colon cancer away. She knew it was working because the black color of her stool was the toxins leaving her body. Makes you want to scream.
So many fairy tales were peddled in the congregations. Everyone wants to feel special, like they have some secret knowledge of truth, whether spiritually or medically, and people wasted precious resources on each.
There's a great podcast that just wrapped their second season called "The Dream". Season 1 was about MLMs. Season 2 was about "wellness" and alternative medicine of sorts. Fascinating stuff.
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Anatomy of a former JW
by Victor inone of the respondents on my post on mental illness stated that it was the same of ex jw's.
i thought about this for a couple of days and drawing from my personal experience, i can say that this is mostly true.
if one is disfellowshipped, the act of forcibly cutting off all ties to a jw's way of life is painful and in some cases inducing cognitive dissonance.
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I (and many others) want death to the Watchtower Organization, its philosophies, practices and private courts... not personal growth, journey and discovery.
It's not an either/or situation.
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Baptisms exceeding 300K last year – a possible reason
by Viva la Vida intwo facts to consider: 1) most baptisms take place during assemblies and conventions; 2) the theocratic year goes from september to august.
my theory: the borg changed the calendar of conventions and assemblies so to concentrate the baptisms in a single theocratic year.
if some conventions used to take place in july/august, for the 2018 series they moved them to september.
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I think they just grew that much and we don't like it so we create ways to discredit it. They have growth from within and they grow in certain places more than others. It is what it is. They aren't going away.
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Incest, Rape and Abuse in the Amish World
by cofty inso familiar and for all the same reasons.. the amish keep to themselves.
and they’re hiding a horrifying secret....
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Yep. I know someone that works in the community to try to make change. She says that there is a segment of the older women in the community that have had enough and there is something afoot. They have a hard time getting people to take them seriously at times from the outside because people romanticize their way of life and don't want to see the realities. I hope there is change coming. The situation is really sad.
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King David's Three Choices
by Jehalapeno ineditor's note: found this on reddit...thought the meat of the post would be a good post for discussion here as well.. consider the three choices god forced upon david for taking a census.
these three choices were forced on king david, not for murdering people, not for raping women, not for lying, stealing, or any crime we can think of in our modern world that is repugnant, but simply for taking a census or in other words, counting people.. for counting people, jehovah forced a decision on david that involved the lives of thousands upon thousands of innocent people.. the choices all dealt with the “way” jehovah would kill thousands of unsuspecting loyal worshipers.. 1 chronicles 21.
“these are the choices the lord has given you.
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ThGod became Son to provide that sacrifice for sins that God did not ask of old Abraham nor would his son's death accomplish anything. 'My justice requires I step up to the plate'. Hallelujah ☺️
So then, it's just theater. Nothing was really sacrificed. God decided he couldn't forgive without the shedding of blood so he could come be the hero. Dude is insecure as can be. First he creates people just to praise him, now he sets up a scenario by which he gets to save those people and be even more the hero. Wow.
It's also not very good justice. If two human lives cost perfection and God's favor, and then only one life was sacrificed to balance it out, God isn't very good at math or restitution. He's also not very good at justice because he kind of had a ringer out there playing the game. If I was Satan I'd be pissed. God is a cheater and didn't play fair at all.
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King David's Three Choices
by Jehalapeno ineditor's note: found this on reddit...thought the meat of the post would be a good post for discussion here as well.. consider the three choices god forced upon david for taking a census.
these three choices were forced on king david, not for murdering people, not for raping women, not for lying, stealing, or any crime we can think of in our modern world that is repugnant, but simply for taking a census or in other words, counting people.. for counting people, jehovah forced a decision on david that involved the lives of thousands upon thousands of innocent people.. the choices all dealt with the “way” jehovah would kill thousands of unsuspecting loyal worshipers.. 1 chronicles 21.
“these are the choices the lord has given you.
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@DOC - Yep, whacked out crazy fucked up is appropriate. Praise Yahweh! Lol.
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King David's Three Choices
by Jehalapeno ineditor's note: found this on reddit...thought the meat of the post would be a good post for discussion here as well.. consider the three choices god forced upon david for taking a census.
these three choices were forced on king david, not for murdering people, not for raping women, not for lying, stealing, or any crime we can think of in our modern world that is repugnant, but simply for taking a census or in other words, counting people.. for counting people, jehovah forced a decision on david that involved the lives of thousands upon thousands of innocent people.. the choices all dealt with the “way” jehovah would kill thousands of unsuspecting loyal worshipers.. 1 chronicles 21.
“these are the choices the lord has given you.
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JoenB75 - What evidence? If you're going to say by the qualities perceived in men that are less than desirable, I'll point you to the animals, who never sinned, and yet have similar qualities in their ranks. You also have to deny the story of the Bible or pick and choose what you want to be literal and what you want to be nonsense to keep your beliefs intact. Whatever fits you, you will do, because you want it to be that way.
So you love someone that had to kill his own son in order to forgive humans? That's messed up. He could have just forgiven. I can forgive. You can forgive.
Look, I get it. No matter what I say you'll smooth it over with "but god can do whatever he wants and I'll love him anyway" like the person living in an abusive situation, so you do you, but let's not pretend it's healthy. Deflect, defend, come up with ridiculous reasonings, just say "sweet Jesus" and click your heels together if it makes you feel better, because ultimately you can always come up with a reason for something if you want to believe it badly enough.
Praise Jehovah, for he is murderous and sent the nicest guy to be killed, all because he can't just forgive, but that's okay, because he has almighty power, and thus some would rather worship him to save their own ass than to take a stand against his wicked ways. -
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King David's Three Choices
by Jehalapeno ineditor's note: found this on reddit...thought the meat of the post would be a good post for discussion here as well.. consider the three choices god forced upon david for taking a census.
these three choices were forced on king david, not for murdering people, not for raping women, not for lying, stealing, or any crime we can think of in our modern world that is repugnant, but simply for taking a census or in other words, counting people.. for counting people, jehovah forced a decision on david that involved the lives of thousands upon thousands of innocent people.. the choices all dealt with the “way” jehovah would kill thousands of unsuspecting loyal worshipers.. 1 chronicles 21.
“these are the choices the lord has given you.
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JoenB75 - No. There is no proof of Adam and Eve, thus no original sin. The earth has been here much longer than your fairy tales. You can't just point to people you find horrible to try to deflect attention from the suffering and death caused by the god you praise. In fact, you just compared your god to these awful humans. Congrats. If you're trying to tell me that your god owns creation by nature of creating it so he can torture it and have it raped and killed as much as he wants by that virtue, then I am more moral than your god and shame both him and you. He's no superlative example of a father. He's a fairy tale written into a book of wild contradictions.
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King David's Three Choices
by Jehalapeno ineditor's note: found this on reddit...thought the meat of the post would be a good post for discussion here as well.. consider the three choices god forced upon david for taking a census.
these three choices were forced on king david, not for murdering people, not for raping women, not for lying, stealing, or any crime we can think of in our modern world that is repugnant, but simply for taking a census or in other words, counting people.. for counting people, jehovah forced a decision on david that involved the lives of thousands upon thousands of innocent people.. the choices all dealt with the “way” jehovah would kill thousands of unsuspecting loyal worshipers.. 1 chronicles 21.
“these are the choices the lord has given you.
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Is there any wonder why so many have been hurt and killed in the name of this supposed god? A god of destruction and death, torture and rape. An insecure god that needs to be told how awesome he is in specific ways lest he murders your children and then you? That can't forgive without blood being shed? What a disaster of a book and a god.