Posts by dubstepped

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Elders, disfellowshipping, & baseball umpires

by sir82 in

ok bear with me for second on this one..... i was just reading the other day about "pitchf/x", a type of technology that can accurately track whether a pitch in baseball is a ball or a strike.. a couple of analysts went over 6 years of baseball data.. it turns out that umpires are wrong about balls & strikes about 14% of the time.

what they call a "ball" is really a "strike" about 13% of the time, and what they call a "strike" is really a "ball" about 15% of the time.

here is the article.. that's at the major league level.. umpires have to work their way up to the major leagues, just as players do.

dubstepped

Years back I was told the same thing when this lady committed suicide after she was disfellowshipped. The elder tried to convinced me that the lady would have committed suicide anyway because she committed porneia..

Well, she obviously wasn't very sorry for what she had done, right? Not that suicide would always be due to sorrow over what one had done, but it certainly rings true in some cases. I can definitely see people being so destroyed over what they had done, and maybe that they weren't really heard by the committee, that they take such a tragic step. Jw's are such callous people. That elder should never have tried to convince anyone as to her motives. It just shows the attitude that they think they know everything, things spoken and unspoken, in their infinite judgement. I wonder if maybe he felt guilty and was really trying to convince himself.

Anyway, back to the OP, I really love the comparison. These men have limited opportunity, and limited ability, to carry out what they're tasked with. And as far as Holy Spirit being behind it all, that's just dumb. I once asked why I was appointed a ministerial servant and was told basically that it was my hours and other participation. THAT is how they can see holy spirit active in a life. All they can do is make outward judgements based on whatever is presented externally. Many men have zero emotional intelligence, and those are who are making these judgement calls?! Men are often more interested in facts than feelings, and unfortunately repentance gets to feelings. It has taken me years as a man of study and reading to figure out how emotions work myself. When talking to other men they often get weirded out and can't go there. I'd hate to be in front of many of them trying to determine if I was genuinely sorry about anything in life.

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Life after JW

by bsand20 in

haven't been on this site since fall of last year.

i was very active in spreading awareness and getting information to help me cope with the fact that my mother cut off complete communication with me as of jan 2014, but i guess too much of a good thing was too much for me to handle.

i ended up getting panic/anxiety attacks.

dubstepped

There are apps like Calm and Headspace that you can use to give meditation a try. Obviously there are lots of options out there, including different types of meditation, but my wife tried the former and I the latter and we both liked them. There were paid versions, but we just used the free aspects of them both.

I always thought that I could never meditate because my brain is constantly churning. What I learned that helped me was that it wasn't about not thinking, but rather observing your thoughts and going back to the breath. It helps me to be mindful of how I'm feeling and acting in daily life, like I can now step back and observe. It helps to keep me from getting too wound up at times. So I'll third the recommendation of meditation above as yet another way to help you move on in your life after JW.

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Life after JW

by bsand20 in

haven't been on this site since fall of last year.

i was very active in spreading awareness and getting information to help me cope with the fact that my mother cut off complete communication with me as of jan 2014, but i guess too much of a good thing was too much for me to handle.

i ended up getting panic/anxiety attacks.

dubstepped

Put a No JW sign on your door, tell your family not to discuss your mom for now and ask them to respect that boundary, drive a different way around the meeting place, and stay away from all JW sites and articles. Focus on the baby and later you can come back to this. If need be, go talk to a therapist about your mom and what happened there so that you can work through it safely. The anger will subside as you deal with the pain and hurt behind it.

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Crisis Of Conscience In Audio Format?

by dubstepped in

i'm just wondering if the book is available to be listened to in any format?

i know that it can be found online and read freely, and i've been through some of it, but i just wondered if it was available in any other way.

i guess it would be lacking some of the copies of articles and such that were in the original book, but it would still be interesting.

dubstepped

Thanks again Tim. I just listened to some of it. Wow, it is really disgusting what went on at the expense of others. It is nice to see that Franz saw a lot of things that I myself have seen in the organization and pointed out to my wife. The prevailing attitude is one of making and following rules, setting the GB up as our conscience, and they care about rules more than people, following traditions of men and protecting their appearance than how it destroys lives or families. I'm not surprised, but it's still hard to hear.

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Crisis Of Conscience In Audio Format?

by dubstepped in

i'm just wondering if the book is available to be listened to in any format?

i know that it can be found online and read freely, and i've been through some of it, but i just wondered if it was available in any other way.

i guess it would be lacking some of the copies of articles and such that were in the original book, but it would still be interesting.

dubstepped

Awesome, thanks tim! I'm really surprised that it isn't more readily available with it being such a big influence in this community. Whoever read it did a good job reading a difficult book that doesn't always flow well.

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Crisis Of Conscience In Audio Format?

by dubstepped in

i'm just wondering if the book is available to be listened to in any format?

i know that it can be found online and read freely, and i've been through some of it, but i just wondered if it was available in any other way.

i guess it would be lacking some of the copies of articles and such that were in the original book, but it would still be interesting.

dubstepped

Can you share them when you're done? If you get stuck I'd be happy to do some of them. I'm just not home from work yet, long day.

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Crisis Of Conscience In Audio Format?

by dubstepped in

i'm just wondering if the book is available to be listened to in any format?

i know that it can be found online and read freely, and i've been through some of it, but i just wondered if it was available in any other way.

i guess it would be lacking some of the copies of articles and such that were in the original book, but it would still be interesting.

dubstepped

I'm willing to pay for a service that converts the videos to audio if needed. I would have purchased the audio book if available on Audible or something. It was great listening to the first full chapters though.

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Crisis Of Conscience In Audio Format?

by dubstepped in

i'm just wondering if the book is available to be listened to in any format?

i know that it can be found online and read freely, and i've been through some of it, but i just wondered if it was available in any other way.

i guess it would be lacking some of the copies of articles and such that were in the original book, but it would still be interesting.

dubstepped

Just looked at the dropbox files and from 5-14 the files are noticeably shorter there too.

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Crisis Of Conscience In Audio Format?

by dubstepped in

i'm just wondering if the book is available to be listened to in any format?

i know that it can be found online and read freely, and i've been through some of it, but i just wondered if it was available in any other way.

i guess it would be lacking some of the copies of articles and such that were in the original book, but it would still be interesting.

dubstepped

I just noticed that track 5 on to the end seems to be about 12 minutes each and they seem to cut off. There was either a problem with the upload, or my download. My wife's download was exactly the same though, so I'm thinking the upload had issues.

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Crisis Of Conscience In Audio Format?

by dubstepped in

i'm just wondering if the book is available to be listened to in any format?

i know that it can be found online and read freely, and i've been through some of it, but i just wondered if it was available in any other way.

i guess it would be lacking some of the copies of articles and such that were in the original book, but it would still be interesting.

dubstepped

Thank you so much! I've had no issues downloading it. Had to get the Mega app first, register for a free account, verify it via email, then come here and click the link. Asked me if I had an account, clicked okay, and then when it showed all of the files I clicked the dots at the top right and chose to download the folder.