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  It's my birthday

  by Tameria2001 in

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  todays my birthday.

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9gqijm2sue.

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  Happy birthday Tameria! Go ahead and make a long weekend out of it. One day can't hold you! :)
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  Adam could have put Jehovah In Paradox!

  by JohnTron72 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm going to be the first and throw this out there for others but, from careful study of the scriptures i've found a loophole that even adam who was perfect at the time missed!

  i'm sure everyone has heard the conundrum about ,"can god create a rock he can't lift?

  " and if he can't create one he can't lift, then god cannot do everything" well that doesn't really matter since we know jehovah says himself he cannot lie right?

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  Doesnt god blame Satan? Talk about passing blame. Yikes.

  Unconditional love is a made up concept by men but a vengeful, petulant god that kills his creation is real. Okay. I'd rather live in man's fairy tale then than yours. Yours sucks.

  Again, why are the kindergarteners in your previous ramble more moral than your god?
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  Adam could have put Jehovah In Paradox!

  by JohnTron72 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm going to be the first and throw this out there for others but, from careful study of the scriptures i've found a loophole that even adam who was perfect at the time missed!

  i'm sure everyone has heard the conundrum about ,"can god create a rock he can't lift?

  " and if he can't create one he can't lift, then god cannot do everything" well that doesn't really matter since we know jehovah says himself he cannot lie right?

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  If you want to simplify the fact about why God put the tree in the garden, think about this. God gave Adam and Eve everything on Earth to enjoy.

  Is this the same shortsighted god that couldn't even figure out on his own that Adam needed an Eve?
  
  

  If you were God and gave man and woman everything to the eye on Earth freely, how would you know they truly were appricitive of the gift?

  Are you telling me you can't give your kids something and tell if they appreciate it without threatening them with something else? Somehow I've been able to appreciate the good in things without having something else withheld. What a warped view of life. I once met someone for lunch, someone I really had never known, and they bought my lunch. I thought that was awesome even without them holding another meal for me at another restaurant that I wasn't to partake of. I mean really, does this make sense on any level?
  
  

  Man through the centuries proven they can't get along without God.

  Actually man has proven through the centuries that having god makes them fight and kill each other.

  If you ask a kindergartner they would tell you the answer: Just stop fighting Wars and stop harming each other.

  Will you kindly tell your god the same so that he doesn't have to slaughter everyone? Or are kindergarten kids more moral than him?

  
  
  
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  Montana News

  by AuntBee in

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  2. child-abuse

  https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/montana/articles/2020-01-08/court-reverses-35m-verdict-against-jehovahs-witnesses.

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  Sickening. Religion has had too much power for far too long.
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  Adam could have put Jehovah In Paradox!

  by JohnTron72 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm going to be the first and throw this out there for others but, from careful study of the scriptures i've found a loophole that even adam who was perfect at the time missed!

  i'm sure everyone has heard the conundrum about ,"can god create a rock he can't lift?

  " and if he can't create one he can't lift, then god cannot do everything" well that doesn't really matter since we know jehovah says himself he cannot lie right?

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  I have as much faith in Jehovah as I do in your ability to find the "enter" key on your keyboard, oh great wall of text.

  By the way, didn't Jehovah choose to harden the heart of the Pharaoh? It's almost like he can indeed look forward, as things were prophecies that supposedly came true as well, he just has selective forward view, and clearly isn't as smart as you as you found a way to outfox him. Doesn't sound like much to worry about to me.
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  Adam could have put Jehovah In Paradox!

  by JohnTron72 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm going to be the first and throw this out there for others but, from careful study of the scriptures i've found a loophole that even adam who was perfect at the time missed!

  i'm sure everyone has heard the conundrum about ,"can god create a rock he can't lift?

  " and if he can't create one he can't lift, then god cannot do everything" well that doesn't really matter since we know jehovah says himself he cannot lie right?

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  Since it's all a fairy tale, there are really no limits to what Adam could have done. It was all left to the imagination of the writer and how he wanted the story to go. I'm not sure why Adam didn't just get on a talking donkey and ride off into the sunset, past the burning bushes, across the Red Sea, and go start a new life in The Shire with the hobbits.
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  Hats Off To Simon

  by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

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  huge round of applause for simon (not every hero wears a cape).

  this is to say a huge big thank you,tons of appreciation and gratitude from me for simon for toiling away on his own dime for 20 years or so and keeping this site up and running .

  surely this site has helped tons of jdumbs n exjdumbs in their search for ttatt and freedom.

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  I've had a Facebook group for just over a year. It's a lot of work. Doing a forum that you have to build and maintain and update for two decades? Hats off to you Simon. A lot of groups and forums have come and gone. Longevity says something about your character. Good for you.
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  Rec'd a letter from my Dad - need some advice...

  by Fadeaway3pointer in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  fader here - last meeting was in autumn 2005. lurker on this site and others.

  not one to get all controversial.. typical situation, pretty much a born in and left the church at age 38 and never looked back.. i'm 53 now, parents getting older - late 70s but very active, dad is still an elder.. parents, in laws, brother and brother-in-law still uber active jws.. my family (wife and 2 adult children) out since 2005.. we have stayed close to our parents - we have treaded religion lightly and have had a pretty good relationship and have kept our personal lives and beliefs/opinions separated from them.

  this was intentional - as we love them and do not want anything to cause shunning since they are getting older and want to be there for them and we respect their beliefs.. got this letter today.

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  I would like to point out though that you don't have to agree to not respond. That's their rule, not yours, and basically condemning you and then asking you not to respond as if somehow they were the victim is cowardly. I would absolutely respond in any way I wanted. Knowing full well, of course, that they won't listen so I wouldn't try to save them, but I'd be kind while firmly showing them how cruel and messed up what they're doing is and how monstrous shunning is. I would put the blame firmly back on them.

  I don't think silence is good. That's exactly what they want. Jehovah's Witnesses want you to feel shame and slink away. Why? So they don't have to face reality. I'd make them see what they're doing. In fact, that's something that woke me up. And since I've been shunned I have walked right up to family I've seen while out and said hi. It makes them shun me to my face, something that is difficult for them, and I want them to feel that. Why should they be awful and have it easy? Easy is often synonymous with enabling and I won't give tacit approval to that behavior.
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  Rec'd a letter from my Dad - need some advice...

  by Fadeaway3pointer in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  fader here - last meeting was in autumn 2005. lurker on this site and others.

  not one to get all controversial.. typical situation, pretty much a born in and left the church at age 38 and never looked back.. i'm 53 now, parents getting older - late 70s but very active, dad is still an elder.. parents, in laws, brother and brother-in-law still uber active jws.. my family (wife and 2 adult children) out since 2005.. we have stayed close to our parents - we have treaded religion lightly and have had a pretty good relationship and have kept our personal lives and beliefs/opinions separated from them.

  this was intentional - as we love them and do not want anything to cause shunning since they are getting older and want to be there for them and we respect their beliefs.. got this letter today.

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  What is tough is that we have been close for past 15 years. I call my Mom weekly and speak with my Dad a couple times per month. Visit them at least once per month. Took them out to dinner in October and then brought food over and had dinner with them early December.

  I have to ask. Everything you said above is what you did for them. I noticed this because this situation just happened in a group I run and we talked about these things. Do they call you regularly? Do they visit you? Do they take you out to dinner or bring food over? Or is this purely a one way street?
  
  I ask because the reality is that many ex-JWs have very narcissistic parents that they fawn over and are codependent with, doing anything they can for them and calling it love when really it's servitude in the hopes of one day being good enough for their parents' love, much like the way people serve Jehovah hoping to one day be good enough. People sometimes say they love their parents when in reality they seek love, they don't have it.
  
  If nothing else, your parents just showed how shallow their love really was, and you had to hide your true selves all of this time. So although you had good times with them, there were always conditions to it all, they've now added another.
  
  I'm sorry this happened. It's typical. JWs are typically incapable of real love. It's about control. Guess who gets to decide what "necessary family business" is? They do, not you. I've spoken to people that were homeless and that didn't qualify. They want you to fail. They want you to hurt. They want that to make you come back because once again, it's about control, not love. Control is the opposite of love.
  
  If you get an opportunity at some point to show them what "unconditional love" is, my assertion (from my own experience) is that they won't see it and won't care so you would only be doing it for yourself while in essence not effectively loving yourself, allowing yourself to be their doormat once again. That's not loving to them, as they are enabled to act poorly with no consequences, and you hurt yourself once again not being authentic and spending life looking more codependent and obsessed with their feelings than caring about your own.
  
  From what I see these relationships get truly twisted, including the feelings around them. That's my view, yours may differ.
  
  In the end what they did was awful and cold and typical of Jehovah's Witnesses, destroying another family. That's what they do, and honestly for many the family was effectively destroyed the moment that virus came into their lives because something was always in between their relationship. I'm so sorry. So much unnecessary pain and suffering because a cult stole the minds and hearts of people and their base humanity has been stripped. Hugs to you and yours.
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  My BPD Sister Passed Away

  by babygirl30 in

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  i have started this, then restarted it, and it still sucks to even write this out - but my younger sister passed away unexpectedly last saturday (on my birthday).

  i am going through all the grieving emotions, but there is more to the story that i could never and would never talk about to anyone that didn't understand the jw rhetoric.

  so...here i am.. my sister has had borderline personality disorder (bpd) for as long as i can remember.

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  There are two books about BPD, one about walking on eggshells, the other called something like I hate you, don't leave me. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

  You're right, she didn't love you. She wasn't capable of love. That happens to remind me of my dad. My mom said that when she was engaged to my dad, his mom took her aside and told her "you think he loves you? That man has never loved anyone or anything in his life.". That rings true after a life with him.

  You aren't obligated to go to her funeral. If you go I'd highly recommend having an exit strategy in case it gets to be too much. It can also help to have a buddy, to take someone with you as a support, with that exit plan agreed upon. These are things that have helped others from the group coaching that I do. But ultimately you don't have to go. You could always choose to grieve this in your own way.
  
  I wasn't invited to my dad's funeral. It upset me at first, but upon further review it would have been awful for me and honestly there were certain people there that could have pushed buttons back then resulting in me acting out in a bad way. A couple elders that I have really bad feelings toward.
  
  Best wishes, whatever you decide to do. What pain are you willing to endure? You'll have to decide that.