Posts by irishayes

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How can Jesus be God since he referred to the Father as "my God"

by hooberus in

ron rhodes quotes paul g. weathers: .

since christ came as man, and since one of the proper duties of man is to worship, pray to, and adore [god], it was perfectly proper for jesus to call the father "my god" and to address him in prayer.

positionally speaking as a man, as a jew, and as our high priest ("made like his brothers in every way," heb.

irishayes

This is how it has always been explained to me:

When Jesus called the Father "my God" he was recognizing his humanity and acknowledging Him as "my God." Prior to Him coming to earth in human form, He had only a divine nature. In this divine nature, He could never refer to the Father as "my God" because Jesus was fully equal to the Father in every way. It was only after the incarnation and taking on human form, that it was proper for Him to refer to the Father as "my God."

Also, Jesus always refers to "My Father" or "Your Father" but never "our Father." He was distinguishing the two because He is a son of God by NATURE and we are sons of God by ADOPTION.

Can you please explain what you mean about the JW's not believing in the physical resurrection of Christ? How do they explain the passages where Christ appears and walks with the disciples, and where Thomas places his hand in the holes in Christ's hand and side?

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Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian

by yxl1 in

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browsing the web when i should be working, i found this at evilbible.com.

not sure if its been posted before, but it made me laugh.

enjoy.. 10 - you vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.. .

irishayes

I consider myself a fundamentalist christian.

It means that we believe the bible to be literal, and that we believe it to be error-free, inspired by God.

It also means that our christianity is the basis of our being. Everything in our lives revolves around Christ in our lives.

It does NOT mean that we spew hatred toward others. It does NOT mean that we are equivalent to the muslim (fundamentalist) terrorists, as my son's teacher tried to insinuate.

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Strange Animal Behavior

by wasasister in

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i had a wierd day today, lots of computer problems and file conversion issues.

but to make matters worse...

the rear of our building is all windows facing out on a wooded greenbelt area.

irishayes

We have been having a female cardinal this spring who is doing the exact same thing! Poor thing-- she must be severely brain damaged by now.

Wild Birds store in our area said that, indeed, it is because of how territorial cardinals are and she is seeing her reflection in the window. The problem is we have 27 windows on the back of our house, so we can't put those owl decals in all of them! She's just going to have to figure it out or kill herself trying

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Does Jesus being the "Son of God" mean that he is not God by nature ?

by hooberus in

in bible times the phrase "the son of god" was understood as a claim to the nature of god, not a claim to be a lesser being:.

" john 19:7. .

ron rhodes commments:.

irishayes

So what you are saying is that this means Jesus IS greater than God because of the sacrifice He made? How can that be?

See, this is what does not make sense to me about the theory that Jesus is NOT God.

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Does Jesus being the "Son of God" mean that he is not God by nature ?

by hooberus in

in bible times the phrase "the son of god" was understood as a claim to the nature of god, not a claim to be a lesser being:.

" john 19:7. .

ron rhodes commments:.

irishayes

Here's what confuses me about the "Jesus is not God" theory.

I have asked this question before and no one has answered. If God loved the world (us) so much, why would he have sent someone else to die for us? If Jesus died for our sins, and He did, then wouldn't that mean than He performed an act of love and sacrifice for us that is greater than God's? That would make Jesus greater than God, unless, of course, Jesus IS God.

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~Something special for all of you at JWD~

by FlyingHighNow in

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i was listening to this song on my way home from work today.

it's a beautiful song.

i had not really listened to its lyrics since i had been set free from the org.

irishayes

Yes it was. Tim Weisburg on the flute.

They did another album together in the 90's, I believe, and it was called "No Resemblance Whatsoever."

Beautiful music!

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~Something special for all of you at JWD~

by FlyingHighNow in

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i was listening to this song on my way home from work today.

it's a beautiful song.

i had not really listened to its lyrics since i had been set free from the org.

irishayes

I absolutely ADORE Dan Fogelberg!

Saw him in concert once and it was just him and his piano. Two hours of heaven!

Have you ever listened to his album "Twin Sons of Different Mothers"? Mostly instrumental, but a couple of songs with lyrics. He is an incredible songwriter.

We had a song from this album sung at our wedding "Since You've Asked." Still brings tears to my eyes when I hear it.

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Hi and a question

by irishayes in

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i have been lurking for a few days and wanted to ask a question.

i stumbled on this website because i have an aquaintance who is a jw and i wanted to learn more about this religion.. first off, let me say that i am a christian.. my question is this: in reading a lot of posts, i see that many of you have left the religion because you believe the wbts has not been truthful in their interpretation of scriptures and because of their incorrect prophecies.

but it seems many of you still believe that they were correct in their belief that the trinity is totally a wrong teaching.

irishayes

3) As I will point out: you are probably the 1000th non-JW/"XJW who went tRINITARIAN" to come onto this board with "the mission from God/Heaven/who knows where/???" to make JW's/XJW's accept the tRINITY. We've heard this before.

You know, I'm really sorry you see it that way. I am genuinely trying to understand what those who don't believe in a Trinity DO believe about Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit. I don't have ANY mission.

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Another question, please?

by irishayes in

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in reading a lot of the posts, and in trying to digest all the teachings and then changes in teachings, it makes me wonder, does the church have preachers who have gone to a school and studied scripture?

or do they just study the wbts publications?

there are lots of seminaries where christian preachers study but are there wbts seminaries?

irishayes

In reading a lot of the posts, and in trying to digest all the teachings and then changes in teachings, it makes me wonder, does the church have preachers who have gone to a school and studied scripture? Or do they just study the WBTS publications?

There are lots of seminaries where christian preachers study but are there WBTS seminaries?

Just curious.

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Hi and a question

by irishayes in

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i have been lurking for a few days and wanted to ask a question.

i stumbled on this website because i have an aquaintance who is a jw and i wanted to learn more about this religion.. first off, let me say that i am a christian.. my question is this: in reading a lot of posts, i see that many of you have left the religion because you believe the wbts has not been truthful in their interpretation of scriptures and because of their incorrect prophecies.

but it seems many of you still believe that they were correct in their belief that the trinity is totally a wrong teaching.

irishayes

Because if they are not God, then who are they? The Bible says to have no other gods beside God. And if Jesus isn't God, then we would be guilty of idolatry, wouldn't we?