Posts by ARoarer

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when getting the reply 'where would we go?where does Gods people gather'?

by Veronipony in

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when getting that triumphinglike reply, as to they're being gods org,.

veronica

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Veronipony,

Hi, I understand your frustration with the JW mentality about "where else to go". I myself, have tried to think critically on this and have found a comfortable answer for myself. I have learned to say to those arguments that I don't believe that Jehovah's Witnesses are the only true "Christian followers of God". Obviously thier argument of "impefect men" does not allow for the false prophecies, everchanging doctrines, elder corruption, and sexual misconduct, child abuse, etc. If that were the case then the scripture in Revelation that addresses the congregations Ephesus, Laodacia, Thessolinica etc. shows that thought they were followers of Christ they were guilty of idolatry, immorality, lack of love and other sins. In this light we can see that every Christian religion, Catholic, Protestant and others, including Jehovah's Witnesses fall into this catagory. I do not believe any organized religion is 100% accurate and without sin, especially JW's. But I do believe that the core teaching of Christ was love of God and our fellow man. Neither governments, nor angels or anything can separate us from God's love. Not even JW's. Not forsaking gathering together is not simply for JW's. We can gather together and encourage and upbuild when 2 or more are gathered in Jesus name. I don't think that it is exclusively in a kingdom hall with only JW's. Although I don't agree with following just an organized religion, I do feel that organized religions provide the environment to "gather and encourage" in a wholesome Christian way though charitable works and community involvement. Going to any church gives us that sense of community. I have not been back to any organized religion or a church. I am not ready for that. But I still don't think it is wrong, or apostate to go and encourge and be spiritually upbuilt by a Christian based discussion in any church community. Jehovah's Witnesses cannot be argued with for the most part. So you are better off following what you feel deep in your gut, what is right for you and uncomfortable for you. That voice deep inside never lies if we learn to hear it without JW vieling fo shame,blame, guilt, fear, and punishment tactics. They are so unlike what Christ taught. As for the name of Jehovah, they do not have a monopoly on that either. It was there in the King James Bible long before they found it. But in the NT Jesus focused not on his personal name but taught "in his name". A different context in which name is used. An example could be in the sayings "stop in the name of love," or "open in the name of the law" , so Jesus preached his Good News "in the name of his Father" is how I believe, in the name of his Fathers purposes and in the name of his Father's love. His Father's name means I will prove to be, I am that I am, and I believe Jehovah's Witnesses have missed the whole point of God. They have made the Watchtower thier "golden calf" and call it Jehovah and dance around it in thier frenzy of useless works. They are living a lie based on many lies. And thier gathering together with one another is done in superficial love. I for one can think of many places to go besides with Jehovah's Witesses.

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FOX NEWS PHILADELPHIA TONIGHT EST/JW"S SEX ABUSE

by ARoarer in

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this is a heads up to everyone who might be interested.

fox news philadelphia is airing an interview with us tonight between 10 and 11 on the 10 o'clock news, and again tomorrow between 7 and 9 am on good day philadelphia.

watchtower is again in the spotlight for harboring pedophiles.

ARoarer

Freeman, as far as I know this is only being aired on FOX Philadelphia News.

Hawkaw, I love the pictures

I have already heard J R Brown would not speak on camera but delivered a message saying "Jehovah's Witnesses Abhorr Wickedness"

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FOX NEWS PHILADELPHIA TONIGHT EST/JW"S SEX ABUSE

by ARoarer in

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this is a heads up to everyone who might be interested.

fox news philadelphia is airing an interview with us tonight between 10 and 11 on the 10 o'clock news, and again tomorrow between 7 and 9 am on good day philadelphia.

watchtower is again in the spotlight for harboring pedophiles.

ARoarer

I believe it is on channel 20 on the cable in my area

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FOX NEWS PHILADELPHIA TONIGHT EST/JW"S SEX ABUSE

by ARoarer in

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friends

this is a heads up to everyone who might be interested.

fox news philadelphia is airing an interview with us tonight between 10 and 11 on the 10 o'clock news, and again tomorrow between 7 and 9 am on good day philadelphia.

watchtower is again in the spotlight for harboring pedophiles.

ARoarer

This is a heads up to everyone who might be interested. Fox News Philadelphia is airing an interview with us tonight between 10 and 11 on the 10 O'Clock News, and again tomorrow between 7 and 9 am on Good Day Philadelphia. Watchtower is again in the spotlight for harboring pedophiles. "

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Door-to-Door Work - Most Inneffective Work of the 21st Century

by Black Man in

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knockin' on doors when nobody's home, processing ten of thousands of hours that u know are fake, refusing to embrace modern-technology to further the work just adds up to the most ineffective public relations campaign of the 21st century---yep, you guessed it the house-to-house work.........

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I may be wrong but I had thought that the house to house work, as ineffective as it is, serves the purpose of the Watchtower Society's "community service" activity that gives it the right as a religion regarding being taxed. I am curious to know if this is true or not.

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gossiping about a pedophile GRRRRRRR

by Brandy5 in

a publisher can get disfellowshipped for gossiping about a pedophile.

a pedophile molested his own child but showed the elders that he was repentant and still lived with his family.

this child had told your child about her dad molesting her.

ARoarer

Brandy, you can go to Silentlambs Homepage and find the transcripts to Dateline, and the Video

http://silentlambs.org

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gossiping about a pedophile GRRRRRRR

by Brandy5 in

a publisher can get disfellowshipped for gossiping about a pedophile.

a pedophile molested his own child but showed the elders that he was repentant and still lived with his family.

this child had told your child about her dad molesting her.

ARoarer

Brandy,

Yes, we worked with the producer for Dateline for a year after they interviewed us and filmed us in our home for over 10 hours. All of those hours that were filmed never made it to the acutal show due to scheduling issues that arose. There were many delays following our interview due to other victims being interviewed, a trial being covered and the 9/11 disaster. But what was finally aired covered the main issues that needed to be addressed and I am glad that I and my family were able to be part of exposing the sexual abuse issues, and opening up the way for other victims to come forward with their experiences. Another important issue that was brought out was the fact that neighborhoods are unaware of criminals with a craving for children are free to go to thier homes and conduct bible studies and have access to thier children with the privacy afforded them by the Watchtower Society and thier policy to shield pedophiles within the organization. At the time Dateline was being filmed the elders and the Watchtower Representatives were lyingly telling the media that they don't allow "known" pedophiles to go door to door. Of course "known" sexual offenders are not "known" to the rank and file members in the congregation, only to the elders who may choose to keep their own family members from being in the car groups of these pedophiles. The molester that was shown at the door on Dateline was filmed undercover prior to our own interview. He was the molester who sexually abused children within his family, his congregation, his circuit and his nieghborhood for several decades, and yet Dateline filmed him having access to his neighborhood under the protection of elders who had personally threatened members in the congregation who knew about the pedophile to stay quiet or they would be disciplined by the committee for gossip and slander. What makes the Watchtower so much more dangerous than the Catholic Church and other religions harboring pedophiles is the fact that molesters among Jehovah' Witnesses are usuallyn elders or members within the families and intercongregationally among families were the "secret" is kept to protect the family name and the Organizations' reputation. It is a family and a church community secret and woe to the victim who speaks out. They are ostrascized and shunned by other members friends and family alike. In other churches families are not involved with silencing the victim. It is usually between the priest and the victim. If the victim speaks out they are still free to come and worship in the church and interact with family and friends without being shunned. Victims who come foreward within the congregation face a whole judicial committee threatening them not to speak about it lest they be brought up on charges of slander or disturbing the peace of the congregation, asked to forgive and let Jehovah deal with it in due time. If they do go to the police the elders will not support the victim or the parents of the victim. If the elders happen to be family members of the victim in an incestuous situation they will try to protect the offender and blame the victim for being disloyal not only to the family ("but remember he's your father, and you must forgive") but "besmearching Jehovah's name " by letting the "worldly authorities" who are "Satan's tool" know what goes on in the congregation. I am supportive of any victim who feels strong enough to speak out about the abuse that Watchtower denys.

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gossiping about a pedophile GRRRRRRR

by Brandy5 in

a publisher can get disfellowshipped for gossiping about a pedophile.

a pedophile molested his own child but showed the elders that he was repentant and still lived with his family.

this child had told your child about her dad molesting her.

ARoarer

This is sad but very true. We were told that we would face disciplinary action if we spoke about the molester to anyone else in the congregation. Other wise we would be guilty of "slandering the name of a member in good standing". When we spoke about it on Dateline we were disfellowshipped.

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NBC - ST. LOUIS DISCUSSES JW CHILD ABUSE

by hawkaw in

st. louis nbc is the largest affilate with nbc - if you are paying attention you will notice that this is the tv station's cover story!!!!!

sexual abuse & the jehovah's witness faith .

2/13/2003 10:51:24 pm .

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JR Brown's comment that the data base has been compiled for the last 20 years is proof that we were mot the "only ones" as the elders used to tell us.

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On TV tonight! (Thursday)UPDATE

by Golden Girl in

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my daughter just told me that on our channel 5 news tonight they are telling about another religion that is covering up child abuse!..

it is on at 10 pm central here.

nbc news.

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Org_2B,

I am so sorry that your daughter was affected by Connie Chung's program. Our youngest daughter is 16. Our other children are married, and in college. After hearing the elders lie at the direction of Headquarters, we and our children stopped attending meetings. My husband and I were unofficially shunned for speaking to the News Media. Our Oldest son was told unless he denounced his parents for talking to the press, they would not perform his wedding ceremony. My daughter in laws cousin from Bethel was going to perform the ceremony at her Kingdom Hall. Headquarters told her cousin not to perform the ceremony or he would have to lose his privleges at Bethel. My son and daughter-in-law said they would not shun us and that everything we told the press was the truth and they would not denounce us. So the PO of that congregation told her parents that they would not let them have the Kingdom Hall to get married in or perform the ceremony. When they asked why the elder told them I am not at liberty to say. We asked Bill Bowen if he performed our childrens marriage ceremony at the reception. He was kind enough to fly out to the wedding and give a beautiful talk and married them. At the time we were working with Dateline. Originally Dateline had planned on airing part of the wedding talk Bill Bowen had given. But hours of taping had already been cut and Dateline decided not to air the tape as part of the program. My husband and I were disfellowshipped for appearing on Dateline. After going through all of what we went through it became clear that the religion I once put such faith in was nothing more than a lawyer run corporation protecting it's interests that have nothing really to do with the rank and file members. It was very painful emotionally. I and my family have survived the WT org. intact. Through it all I have seen that spirituality and faith are not something that can be dictated through the words of an authortarian, spiritually abusive religious organization. WT is no different from other religions accept that they hide who they are and what they do. I guess looking at the worlds religions they all are used in some way by our Creator for reasons we cannont understand, and all may fall into one or more of the description in the book of Revelation when speaking of the congregations. Some were guilty of immorality, some idolatry, some apapthy etc. I no longer believe Jehovah's Witnesses are the only true Christians. They are far from it. Just as the elders are not the "glorious ones" spoken of in Jude. Watchtower is just as guilty with it's false doctrines and arrogant religious leaders.