Posts by exjdub

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The 1914 Doctrine and The Threat of the Egibi Business Tablets

by VM44 in

could the watchtower and the jehovah's witnesses survive the discarding of their 1914 doctrine?

the doctrine that in 1914 the end of the gentile times took place, jesus took up rule in heaven.

for some reason the jws think the outbreak of world war i in 1914 is proof their prophetic calculations were correct.

exjdub

Now it seems you know me oh so well and are now fully qualified to write my biography and that of celebrated WT scholars. If you can't stande the heat of the debate and get out of the kitchen and good riddance to you. I have little time for deserters of the true faith and by the way have you found the true religion?

Scholar,

You are so enamored with yourself you don't even realize what you posted:

I have little time for deserters of the true faith

If you have "little time for deserters of the true faith" then what are you doing here arguing with apostates? Once again you show your complete lack of common sense and your hypocrisy. Before you jump down the rabbit hole, at least the only one that is left for you, let me cover it for you. You are here arguing with apostates for the benefit of those JW's who may be on this site, right? You and I both know that's not true. The real reason you are here is for your vanity. You like listening to yourself. It's called mental masterbation. Now go argue with the Witlesses because you can't hold the jockstrap of the people who have kicked your ass on this thread. The true faith I have is: You don't have it.

exjdub

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The 1914 Doctrine and The Threat of the Egibi Business Tablets

by VM44 in

could the watchtower and the jehovah's witnesses survive the discarding of their 1914 doctrine?

the doctrine that in 1914 the end of the gentile times took place, jesus took up rule in heaven.

for some reason the jws think the outbreak of world war i in 1914 is proof their prophetic calculations were correct.

exjdub

Well Folks, this is absolute proof that what goes around comes around (or Karma, if you prefer). I repeatedly have it proven to me that I am now paying for the many years of my stupidity and arrogance wasted in the "Spiritual Paradise". I don't know why I did it, but I read up to page 7 of this thread, which is as far as I could physically go. I have a few observations, from a simpleton's view:

Jeffro: Although I have never met you, and only recently have read your posts, I think you show great character. How you could put up with Scholar's name calling and condascending manner, without returning in kind, is an amazing feat that is far beyond me. I am incapable of putting up with insufferable, arrogant, blowhards.

Scholar: You have most certainly broken the record for the repeated use of "Watchtower's Celebrated Scholars". Although just a simple man, even I know that repeating a phrase over and over again tends to have the opposite effect that you most likely are looking for. Every time you use the term (after the first 20 times), without providing the names of these scholars, feels like water torture. I flinch every time you use the description. It proves to me once again that people who are arrogant "intellectuals" with specific agendas, as opposed to open minded, intelligent people debating the merits of their argument, have huge gaps with reasoning skills and common sense in other areas. You lack a tremendous amount of common sense. You also avoid direct questions, which is a sure sign of a faulty foundation for your arguments. Even you should know that "backward engineering", trying to prove a theory from a fixed conclusion, is dangerous ground. I think you, and the WTBTS, have proven this conclusively.

In conclusion, I just would like to say that I am sorry for the stubborn arrogance that I displayed while in the Borg. I am embarassed that I spent 30 years in New England, spreading garbage and lies, smugly thinking that I had the "Truth" and "Everlasting Life". That is the biggest burden that I carry. I was an ass. And I was an ass that hurt dear family members that were "not in the Truth". I now spend much of my time trying to repair the damage that I caused. That being said, I have run into a bunch of people, like scholar (especially Dubs), who are just interested in hearing themselves talk. I guess what I am saying, in a long winded way Scholar, is: You, Sir, are an Ass of the highest order. I hope you find a cure.

exjdub

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so what are the "anointed" you know/knew like?

by nowisee in

there were two quite old females in my congregation.

sweet.

but then they died.. i met several members of gb.

exjdub

Back in the 70's there was this really old anointed brother in the Londonderry, NH Congregation named Bernie Sinkovich (sp?) He was very quiet, to the point where you almost forgot about him. But every once in a great while he would be called on to give the closing prayer at the Service Meeting. The problem was every prayer that this brother ever gave lasted 15-20 minutes. To a teenager, like myself, that was an eternity. Come to think of it, that is an eternity for anyone to have their head bowed in prayer. When Bernie got started he would thank Jehovah for everything under the sun. They always seemed to call on him for prayer when they were already running late, so it meant more torture. My heart would sink when he would be called on for closing prayer.

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Earthquake in the Middle East (Urgent)

by EliJah in

19 and the great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell; and babylon the great was remembered in the sight of god, to give her the cup of the wine of the anger of his wrath.

20 also, every island fled, and mountains were not found.

21 and a great hail with every stone about the weight of a talent descended out of heaven upon the men, and the men blasphemed god due to the plague of hail, because the plague of it was unusually great.. meaning: the nations are of the twelve tribes of israel in the middle east.

exjdub

The Faithful and Discreet Slave of JAH, ALLAH, AND JESUS CHRIST

Now I know I have been away from JWD too long. I didn't know there was "New Light" in connection with the Faithful and Discreet Slave! Aint the internet a blast?

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How do you defend your god's inaction?

by AlmostAtheist in

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this is a question for those that believe in a god or gods, particularly those described as "all knowing" or "almighty".. how do you defend to yourself that your god has not in any modern situation saved his people from anything?.

people of all faiths are regularly killed by various natural elements.

of course, if you knew such a thing was going to befall a person and you could do something to protect them, you would.

exjdub

LOL! Thanks, you're not so bad yourself for a frothing-at-the-mouth, lying, evil APOSTATE!

Dave,

ROFL! I froth at the mouth on occasion, and I am an evil apostate, but I never lie...well almost never.

Not to go off topic too far, but what you said triggered a thought. It took a long time to accept that I am an apostate, at least from the perspective of the WTBTS. Even after I left the Borg and knew what I was taught from the time that I was 5 years old was a bunch of lies, it still took a long time to acknowlege that I am an apostate. It shows how effective brainwashing is. It took me years of being out to even admit that the Organization did not have the Truth. I always used the worn out excuse that JWs had the Truth, they just were making mistakes and there was apostasy going on. I always equated it to the jewish system of things in the first century. Still Jehovah's people, just not the proper leadership. I always thought that I would go back when things were straightened out. It took a long time and much reflection, coupled with a feeling of well being to work it out. I can only say that leaving the "Spritual Paradise" of the WTBTS and becoming an apostate has been a very cathartic and calming transformation in my life. All the tears, anger, denial and pain that I felt were worth going through so that I could feel the way I do now.

It HAS been a good, enriching discussion, due to all of the great points brought to the table. And the fact that the believers have not recoiled in disgust when their beliefs are questioned. These apostate-types really aren't too bad, are they? :-)

It most certainly has been enriching. Great points on both sides and a real refreshing discussion. I really appreciate the intelligence level on both sides and the fact that most everyone is expressing what they really feel, not just to hear themselves talk. A lot of thought has gone into the posts and it really has made me think. I will definitely re-read the thread and reflect some more on what has been said. I would say to any JW's that are visiting: Please fight the inclination to dismiss what is said here out of hand. Despite what the Society says, there is nothing wrong with research, becoming informed, and then defending what you believe in. It is a natural progression for humans. The Apostle Paul did it. Jesus did it. We were always taught to follow their example. How can something be forbidden that was practiced by the very pillars of Christianity?

SNG: It would be a privilege to receive a copy of your book and you have whetted my appetite for what is in store. I am not an intellectual, although reasonably intelligent. If you speak as clearly in the book as you do in your posts, I should enjoy it. I have to say that I have not actively researched evolution to the degree that I should, so you will have a clean slate in which to present facts. I come to the table with no preconcieved ideas, or almost none at this point. So I will keep an open mind and will give it an honest chance to enlighten. Please PM me with details such as cost, shipping, release, etc. Thanks.

exjdub

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How do you defend your god's inaction?

by AlmostAtheist in

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friends

this is a question for those that believe in a god or gods, particularly those described as "all knowing" or "almighty".. how do you defend to yourself that your god has not in any modern situation saved his people from anything?.

people of all faiths are regularly killed by various natural elements.

of course, if you knew such a thing was going to befall a person and you could do something to protect them, you would.

exjdub

Thanks and Thanks Diamond. It actually feels good to be back and it is nice to see so many new names that I am not familiar with. The erosion of the Borg continues it appears.

Exjdub

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How do you defend your god's inaction?

by AlmostAtheist in

jw
friends

this is a question for those that believe in a god or gods, particularly those described as "all knowing" or "almighty".. how do you defend to yourself that your god has not in any modern situation saved his people from anything?.

people of all faiths are regularly killed by various natural elements.

of course, if you knew such a thing was going to befall a person and you could do something to protect them, you would.

exjdub

AlmostAthiest, I should have added that I believe this thread has remained civil largely due to your moderation of it. The way that you raise the topic and keep it on point, without having it degenerate in an "us vs. them" all out war, should be a model for all to use. Nice job for a godless person! LOL.

Exjdub

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How do you defend your god's inaction?

by AlmostAtheist in

jw
friends

this is a question for those that believe in a god or gods, particularly those described as "all knowing" or "almighty".. how do you defend to yourself that your god has not in any modern situation saved his people from anything?.

people of all faiths are regularly killed by various natural elements.

of course, if you knew such a thing was going to befall a person and you could do something to protect them, you would.

exjdub

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How do you defend your god's inaction?

by AlmostAtheist in

jw
friends

this is a question for those that believe in a god or gods, particularly those described as "all knowing" or "almighty".. how do you defend to yourself that your god has not in any modern situation saved his people from anything?.

people of all faiths are regularly killed by various natural elements.

of course, if you knew such a thing was going to befall a person and you could do something to protect them, you would.

exjdub

Although I used to post quite a bit, I left JWD for a while (new job, new grandson, etc.), but have been lurking on and off for a few weeks and found this topic to be fascinating. So thank you for the intruiging topic. I can't add much if anything to the subject other than a personal note and a question. On the personal note, SNG said:

If you make any statements about the nature of God whatsoever, you are defining him/her/it/they/blob/force. If you (for example) describe God as "a force that we cannot understand," then that is part of your basic definition of your view of this God problem. The only way not to define God would be to say, "There may or may not be a God-thing-force-person-nonperson whose form or lack thereof is completely unknown to me. I have no further views on the topic." But otherwise, the simple fact that you have a concept of God means that you are defining him in some manner.

Since leaving the Borg, I gradually moved to the above conclusion about "may or may not be a God-thing-force-person-nonperson whose form or lack thereof is completely unknown to me. I think it was easier to think of it that way, most likely out of fear of death and the fear of no afterlife of some type. It was very uncomfortable to conclusively state to myself that the few short years we have to live are all there is. But after reflecting on this for quite some time, along with the thoughtful, well thought out statements on this thread, I think I actually am drifting over to the "there is no God" point of view, at least from the Christian perspective and point of view. I just can't wrap my mind around the complete indifference and inaction of a "loving" being. The "I am going to punish the whole world of mankind because of the actions of the first human couple" just does not make sense, nor is it just, at all. Even when I was a believer I found it difficult to justify. I won't repeat every line of reasoning that has been already well represented, though I will say that it I also find it astounding that with so much suffering and more doubt about God's existence than perhaps any other time in history, would it not be a good time for the Christian God/Jehovah to send some type of clear sign of his caring, love, and existence? For the next move to be total destruction and mayhem, considering how confused everyone is, just does not make sense and would not be considered just by any stretch of the imagination. The only roadblock that I have that prevents me from being a dyed in the wool athiest is that I see intelligent design in the human body, the animal kingdom, etc. I have not been able to work that out yet and the evolution theory just does not answer many of the questions I have. So the quandary continues...

Little Toe: I always find your posts to be well thought out and kind. I don't generally agree with your thoughts on faith and Christianity, however you always make me stop and think. Most likely because you are not dogmatic, or arrogant, and you are open minded enough to leave judgement at the door. The Christians worldwide could learn a thing or two from you that would make them not so obnoxious, but I figure that their intolerable behaviour is repayment for my intolerable behaviour as a Dub, so I believe I am paying the price for my Dub rhetoric and stupidity. Anyway, I digress...The question/questions:

LT: If I understood your earlier analogy about the neighbor watching the child getting torn apart while aunts, uncles, parents, etc., watch, and then having everyone point the finger at the neighbor for letting it happen leaves a gaping hole. How could a God, that is described in the Bible as loving and that wants a personal relationship with individual humans, and that cares about every sparrow that dropped from the sky and numbers the blades of grass, be equated as just a neighbor? It has been represented in the Bible that this entity knows us and knows our weak condition and that he cares for us. He is represented as being a Father. It is represented that he loved humans so much that he gave his son as a sacrifice. How can it be the other way, that he is just an observer in the universe watching mankind from a distance like a neighbor? It cannot be both ways. Either we are specks of dust to him, as represented in the scriptures, or we are creatures that he loves deeply, as represented in the scriptures. If we are created in his image, and we, as humans, could never watch our child be ripped to shreds, how could a loving god allow such a thing to his "children"? I welcome your thoughts.

Thanks to all for the thought provoking and well thought out arguments and comments. It proves that these discussions do not have to generate into hate spewing forums. Peace.

Exjdub

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nightmares

by fairchild in

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i almost never used to have nightmares, but recently, i've been having plenty.

i usually wake up during or after a nightmare with an extremely dry mouth and a pounding headache.

the nightmares occur about 4 or 5 times a week.

exjdub

fairchild,

I had so much anger and resentment after leaving the Borg, along with working for someone at the time that was very cruel and very corrupt, that I started having nightmares. They were always very graphic and very vivid and always had the theme of somebody either being murdered or dying in a fire right in front of me. Scared the daylights out of me and left me feeling very uncomfortable. I began seeing an acupuncturist for other reasons and just happened to mention the nightmares. He asked for details of the nightmares, asked me a few more questions, and then treated me with needles. I don't know what he did, nor do I remember the needle placement, but I can tell you that the nightmares stopped within a few days, never to return. I have no explanation for why/how it worked. But I can tell you that it made me a believer in acupuncture. Sorry you are having nightmares. They are never enjoyable.

Exjdub