On this board one learns amazing things I never had this problem of being watched as my parents weren't JWs but now I can see what others have to go through it's like the victorian age the JWs live in a time bubble.
Also here I confirmed that other problems i used to see in the old cong and neighbouring ones are universal not just localised, before I wasn't so sure.
I suppose the WTS can seriously damage your mental/emotional health by rudely intruding in your private world, so avoid it.
greendawn
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Frustration
by Chia init just blows my mind.
i am an adult, and i can't go out without getting the third degree.
i can't have a phone/internet conversation without being interrogated and/or watched.
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greendawn
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more weird reasoning
by zaphod ina young brother was df'd for having sex with a young single mother with a young daughter who was studying with the congregation.. she got pregnant and they married.
she suffered with mental illness.. the brother sexually abused the young girl.
he was reproved but not disfellowshipped even though he did not go to the police voluntarily and at first denied the abuse.
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greendawn
This is one more story which shows that very strange tolerance the so prudish JWs have for child abuse, it's a mystery worth exploring why this happens.
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1874 vs. 1914
by mnb77 inin my study of the history of the jws, i have come across a piece that says the jw's story keeps changing.
the book i am reading says, " it is one thing to claim that christ returned invisibly in 1914, but another thing to make that caim after you have already sopent 50 years telling people that he returned invisibley in 1874-- and then changed your mind.
yet the jw org has done just that.
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greendawn
What happened is that Russell was expecting the return of Jesus in the 1870's and when it did not happen he tried to explain it away the smart way: Yes He returned but invisibly something which of course no one could verify, let alone that the second return was always believed by all to be a visible one, and that is after all the logical way to think of it. An invisible return is not a return, it's a contradiction in terms.
So Russell was saying just wait the visible return would come finally in 1914, that is Armageddon, which of course didn't come. He then set two more dates 1915 and 1918 but they also failed.
After that Rutherford tried to clear the mess by bringing the supposed invisible return forward to 1914 and Armageddon to 1925. In other words Russell was wrong there was no invisible return before 1914 just as there was no visible one in 1914/1915/1918. And needless to say Rutherford's own dates also proved wrong in time.
The point is that Russell and Rutherford proved to be false prophets and teachers and those still following them despite their failures were/are deeply into self imposed deception. They would all have been executed in ancient Israel. -
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Do you see real people here at JWD?
by jeanniebeanz inwhen people post to jwd, do you make an effort to understand "who" they are and take an interest in their wellbeing, or are they just 'ghosts in a machine' there to entertain you?
do the people here fall somewhere in-between for you?
do you think it matters?
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greendawn
So Jeannie, more specifically what sort of people here do you find to be more genuine? What sort of traits are looking for in their postings?
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unforgivable sin
by MerryMagdalene intijkmo's post on watson's "hypothetical" thread got me wondering again...just what the heck is it to sin against the holy spirit according to jw beliefs/teachings?
for something so important as to be "unforgivable" it has always seemed awfully vague to me (so vague that i was sure as a kid that it must be masturbation and for years i felt the great weight of ultimate doom heavily upon me).
is it intentionally vague, do you think, just to keep everyone on their toes and hyper-paranoid or am i missing something?
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greendawn
Or to add to what Walter said, to try to pass yourself off as a prophet and representative of God on earth (when in fact you are an impostor before God and man) trying to profit out of a fake status.
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Do you see real people here at JWD?
by jeanniebeanz inwhen people post to jwd, do you make an effort to understand "who" they are and take an interest in their wellbeing, or are they just 'ghosts in a machine' there to entertain you?
do the people here fall somewhere in-between for you?
do you think it matters?
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greendawn
I believe there is more to people here than just being shadows in the internet land, if you like someone's style you can always send them an e-mail or PM and later things can move on to instant messaging or even to audio and video conversation eg with msn messenger a free service.
In addition I think there is some kind of automatic spiritual exchange like telepathy or synchronicity when people write (or think) of each other and that happens regardless of distance between them so you can feel someone spiritually at any distance. -
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Why is the Watchtower Society modelled on the Old Testament?
by truthseeker init is a fact, that the watchtower have relegated jesus christ to "just another servant of jehovah.
got a copy of "the greatest man who ever lived" book?
the only book they publish dedicated to jesus, doesn't even have his name on it.
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greendawn
I agree it is very strange how the WTS has dethroned Jesus from his central position while claiming to be a christian religion. It's a very fishy mystery that deserves a lot of investigation. Even more bizarre is the fact that most JWs don't even believe that Christ is their personal saviour/messiah, and none of them call him Lord. Not Christ's people/organisation/law but Jehovah's. Have they in essence gone back to the Mosaic law? This cult has certainly wrecked their relationship with Christ.
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Investigated the Dawn Bible Society (Russellites)
by orangefatcat insince investigating the history of the society i thought i would do research on the dawn bible society to others known as the russellites.
today in the mail i recieved a booklet and it is all about pastor russell his life and what happened after he died and the split from the watchtowe society.
some great reading and a real eye opener to the truth of the breakoff .
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greendawn
I'm sure it makes very interesting reading as far as I know The JWs are Rutherford's rather than Russell's creation and a lot of Russellites left when he took over fraudulenty the WTS and many more when he began revising Russell's teachings.
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"How Do We Know the End if Near?"
by Bonnie_Clyde inthat was the talk yesterday.
the speaker started by asking for a "show of hands" of who thought the end was very near?
i was sitting in the back row and believe i was the only one who didn't raise my hand.
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greendawn
We do not know if the end is near, there is no way of knowing and I can't see why anyone bothers to listen to the WTS boloney about this ever imminent end, how can something be imminent for 100 whole years?
AS for the Christ they have dethroned him long ago from his central position, that's why they are cult with a judaic flavour and not a true Christian religion. -
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Anyone Experience Something Similar After Exiting
by love2Bworldly ini am starting to remember something weird when i left the jw's, but wonder if it's a physchological manifestation of the brainwashing & control they had over me and the guilt trip/fear of being 'bad'.
i remember when i used to look up toward the sky sometimes and pray a silent prayer to jehovah.
after i got disfellowshipped, i felt like when i looked up and thought about god that there was almost a physical ceiling on the other side of the blue sky that curtained me off from jehovah hearing my prayers.
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greendawn
I never experienced that sense of being blocked that you describe but I am sure when it happens to people it's due to the long years of mind conditioning and nothing else. That blocking is an illusion not real.