Posts by Fleur

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23 yr old female teacher arrested for sex with 14 yr. old boys

by wednesday in

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0628042teach1.html

that is a link to the smoking gun.

the entire story is there.i read the arrest report.

Fleur

please be aware that i read up thru page 5 of this thread before replying, so i may be repeating what someone else said later, i don't know. wanted to throw my thoughts in there before i forget what they are:

"LA u may have offended French, but u are not wrong. I have been in therapy for years and worked in psych area, and women do have rape fantasy. Not of rape that involves being actually brutalized rape, but of being forced to have sex. so perhaps forced sex is a better way to put it. Therapists say it a way of not assuming the blame for sex-somone forced u. Also, it makes some women aroused. "

i just have to respond to this...THIS woman has never had a rape fantasy, period. being subdued or restrained or 'forced' does NOT appeal to me at all. and i'm sorry but i find "being forced to have sex" the same thing as being "brutalized rape." so i don't believe, no matter what your personal experience in therapy is, that all, or dare is say it, even MOST women have this fantasy.

someone asked why god made people to be functioning sexually so young, well how the hell should i know? id on't think it/he/she did cause i don't believe in the big Sky daddy. i do know this: in parts of the world where girls are forced to have sex at young ages and get impregnated by grown men, they are DYING or being RUINED FOR LIFE by being torn in two by the babies! Don't believe me? check this URL, be warned it is NOT pretty! http://www.fistulahospital.org/

there is a doctor who has worked for years at a tiny hospital trying to literally sew these girls back together after their bodies are rent nearly in two by stillborn babies because they are TOO SMALL TO BIRTH THEM. so to me, NO loving god would put a young girl in that position, period. it should not be able to happen.

to me with this issue, i think that if the teacher had been UGLY that people would be saying "shame on her! how dare she do that!" just because she happens to be blonde and buxum i think that no jury of men will convict her. hell, even the women might go easy on her. HER LOOKS do NOT make what she did right!

minors cannot give consent, period. whether he's scarred for life, doesn't matter to me one bit.

she should go to jail, maximum sentence. let her watch her beauty fade as she works in prison and rots there for what she's done.

whether or not it was 'rape', it was against the law, and she should go to prison just as she would if she'd been a MALE teacher and it was a female student!

with the few exceptions, its really disappointing how this thread seems to be drawn down along gender lines. i guess i will never really understand most men, not if i live to be 100. I just don't get the way they think.

fleur

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My Brother Begged Me To Come Back To Jehovah & His Organization!!!

by minimus in

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i recieved a 7 page "note" from my brother and his wife pleading with me to come back to jehovah god and his organization.

he said the devil was after me and my family and that the results will be disastrous unless i come back to "jehovah's protective custody".

also, it was strongly implied that unless my family went back to meetings and went out in field service, most jws, including family members would not attend my daughter's wedding and reception.my wife, daughter and i have been overtaken by the devil, according to him.

Fleur

[quote] Sad to say, my brother believes he's doing right. The tone of his letter is to try to appeal to me. He sincerely feels I must be talked to so as to get some sense knocked into me. He feels I've led my family to a course of death. When you've been out of it for a while, you can see how sad of a religion this really is.[/quote] oh, min, i am so so sorry. i've been in a pretty dark cave myself the past few weeks but reading this i had to drag myself out and post. don't you just love how their 'love' comes with a price? that returning to 'jehovah' is so important that all other reasons, love, and family ties go out the freaking window and it just becomes a big old emotional blackmail issue? as in "if you don't come back to jehovah we won't come to your daughter's wedding". like they'd come anyway? is your daughter marrying a jw? just curious, cause if she isn't, then they would use that as the reason not to go to the wedding! they will find a reason, one that suits their need of getting you and your wife and daughter back into the realm of propriety; which is really just CONTROL. they can't control you, and its freaking them out. but they will have to live with it. how, i don't know. i know it's literally driving my sister crazy that i will not come back. she's gone off the deep end the other way, is a superduperpioneer now more Superfine spiritual Grade A Elders Wife than she ever was before. but she's the one with the miserable marriage, soul so empty that no amount of food, booze, or shopping can fill it, and the one who is depriving herself of years of time with me and my child which can never be replaced. maybe i'm the one who has 'gone to the devil' but i'll tell you this much, she's the one living in hell. i pity her, and i pity your brother, too. and i'm sorry it's come to this, no matter how long you've been out, or how prepared you think you are, this stuff still hurts. i'm sorry, just so so sorry. if i replied to him at all, i would tell him that my faith in god was not the issue (if thats true, now me, i can't say that, i'm agnostic!) and that he will always be my brother, and my door will be open. i would say that i would love to see him at the wedding, but that i wouldn't want him to violate his christian concience, so he must do what he must, and you will do what you must. that's just what i'd say. keeping your cool, and just speaking it that plainly, will at least make him think. maybe not now, but someday. hope it won't dampen the happy occaision too much for you :( essie

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It's Time to Find New Vistas

by Farkel in

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i cannot compete with threads anymore.

they beat me!

threads about pit bulls and other dogs and virginity get all the attention.

Fleur

to you all:

Nonsense! I don't believe I made a single bit of difference, at least in the long run. I waved my hands and yelled a lot, but I only helped a few souls out of that nonsense.

In short, I failed. My music is my only redemption in this life. I'm pretty good at that.

Farkel"

farkel, you have to me. your posts made a huge difference to me and i have learned a LOT from you in the past 4 years. it is discouraging, i know. people who are out would rather talk about drugs and sex and that's not me, and not cause i'm still harboring jw values...it's just not me. i understand your frustration, i totally relate to it. why do you think i don't spend hours writing essays to post here anymore? i could. but i don't, because i know that it'll be gone in two minutes and no one will even see it. hugs, and thanks for all you personally have taught me. i still consider you the great jedi master. so many others who used to be at H20 too posted such...meaty stuff. it helped me cast off the bonds so much more quickly. not all gen x-ers are like you think...i'm gen x. hugs, essie

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Quick Poll: Do you have a sense of Humor?

by Crazy151drinker in

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c) what is humor .

d) no, i use protection

Fleur

yes, i do. his name is stan, he lives in my closet, and he only talks to me.

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So What The Hell Are You?

by shamus in

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according to dubdom, what are you?

i am a lame weakass lamb who goes on apostate websites who faded.

in the real world i am free from mind control.

Fleur

i'm the devil incarnate, according to my family.

they put a nice big scarlet A on me when i divorced my abusive husband, and then after the divorce was legally final, slept with another. hell, i likely would have waited to sleep with him until he married me, except my ex made himself plain that he expected to be "free to remarry" sooner than later and i believe in putting safety first.

i'm df'd in their book.

in mine, i'm the first person in four generations of my family to finally be free...and i'm making sure they don't get their hands on my own contribution to the fifth generation.

reports of my becoming a crack whore are greatly exaggerated LOL.

fleur

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My Grandad died this morning

by Simon in

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the last grandparent i had died this morning.. .

he was such a great guy.

was in the raf in wwii and went to iraq and other places but didn't really talk much about the war.

Fleur

simon, my deepest sympathies.

my dearest granddad died more than 20 years ago now...but i still miss him desperately. he left a hole that no one else can fill.

i will keep you in my thoughts, i am so, so sorry.

((((((((simon))))))))

essie

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The visit with my mother.........(long)

by desib77 in

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well, as many of you know (i posted earlier about this) yesterday i had a get-together with my mom.

i was soooo ready to just leave when she started witnessing to me, but..........that didn't happen.

she changed her approach.

Fleur

I wish I knew why it was so tough for me to overcome this control.

because she's your mother. and deep down, we all want to please our mothers, it's born-in i think.

yours and mine sound like twins seperated at birth, my sympathies! they just can't have a conversation about anything with anyone without bringing Big J into it. they just can't.

but they can learn boundaries and what is intrusive. and if they can't, then the visits have to be limited, and under circumstances you feel you can control, like being able to give her a kiss, tell her you love her, and then make your exit.

thanks blondie for that post, very interesting stuff. recognized my ex in there and a LOT of other people in my life, too.

hugs

fleur

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If You Could Just Tell Someone Off----What Would You Say???

by minimus in

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you know how there's always someone there, in the back of your mind--even, that you'd just love to tell off.

what would you like to say????

?

Fleur

i'd say to the jw family who is shunning me, 'way to go. while you didn't invite me to any of the family's weddings in the past five years, you saved a seat at the family table for the man who abused me physically, emotionally and sexually. i hope you enjoyed his company. have a nice day."

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I can't believe what just happened !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Puternut in

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i have been calling my kids for some time now.

i am moving far away soon, and since i haven't had any contact with my daughters, i called them to let them know i was moving, and would like to say goodbye, before i flew away.

weeks went by, as ususal, and no response.

Fleur

oh, i'm so happy for you.

the older they get the harder it'll be for their mother to convince them that you are bad. keep showing them that unconditional love...and i have to believe that will win out in the end.

may this be the beginning of much happiness for you and your kids. happy fathers day indeed!

hugs

fleur

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HELP ME! I cant cope with this anymore.

by chok in

for those of you that remember the story a couple of weeks ago about my 4 year old daughter that declared us a witness free zone to her grandparents (my extremely devout parents!!!

) well the little minx strikes again.

i have just got off the phone from my mother.

Fleur

What is wrong with celebrating things and living a normal life. My head is spinning.

absolutely nothing. they are brainwashed, and they can't see their way clear of the indoctrination. you can, and it will get easier (never easy likely, but easier) to deal with this over time.

your mother and mine sound like two cut from the same exact cloth. (and desi's too from the sounds of her 'visit with mom' post which i have to respond to also).

the spinning will stop. and your daughter will be, thankfully, a lot clearer about it being right to leave the borg behind.

my daughter has come so far. she went to the district convention for a couple days with her dad and stepmom this month (no choice) and when i asked her how it was, she rolled her eyes. she can see clearly, cause i haven't fed her the garbage i was fed.

we're putting up with this crud from our parents to make a better future for our babies. and for ourselves, too.

hang in there honey, you're not alone in dealing with this.

hugs

fleur