Fleur

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  I went to the memorial service for Talia Balletti.

  by hubert in

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  i sent a pm to one of the forum assistants telling him this, and he said i should post and let everyone know how it went.. i didn't want to do this until mario posted first, because it's about his daughter, not mine.

  but, i know all you wonderful people out there are waiting for some news on the memorial service, and i think mario is too grief stricken to be able to write right now.

  sometimes these things hit you harder after it's all over, because now you have more time to think about it.

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  Fleur

  thank you hubert for going for all of us who couldn't...I know that it wasn't easy but you did a very good thing, thank you.

  Thanks for posting too, it is much appreciated by us all and I'm sure Mario will too.

  hugs,

  essie
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  is there any concrete proof the JWs are wrong? Iam new here.

  by Buck in

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  2. friends

  iam very new to this forum.

  so glad to meet all of you.

  ive been reading here for quite a while but never felt the need to join in.

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  Fleur

  I second the suggestion of going to freeminds.org and reading everything you can.

  I would also recommend that you read as many threads on shunning as you can so that you can get educated. If you become a JW, there is no way to gracefully leave it later once you've been baptized so be sure of what you're getting into before you get into that pool!

  Welcome, I hope you will find what you're looking for here. Believe me, the facts are there.

  essie
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  Off to discover the abusive past

  by Bryan in

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  i?m off to los angeles tomorrow.

  i think i found my grandfather.

  as most of you know, i grew up without half my family, thanks to my jw father.

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  Fleur

  Good luck, Bryan. Wishing you peace, and the answers that you seek.

  hugs

  essie
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  Are JWs Guilty of Idolatry?

  by Kenneson in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the jws have an aversion to the cross but a love for the watchtower symbol.

  is one a graven image, but not the other?

  check the following watchtower paraphernalia offered for sale by a jw owned business.. http://www.westcoastclips.com/store/templates/basic/productindex.asp

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  Fleur

  UGH!!!!!!! the unmitagated gaul! My mother condemns my plastic christmas tree but she writes the yhwh symbol and letters out and tapes them up over her doorways. No, unfortunately, I am NOT kidding.

  There are more examples of 'so called' image worship in her house it's not even funny.

  Ha. I'll keep my pagan fake fir, thanks!

  essie
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  I have been gone - an update if you care

  by jwbot in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  wow, where to start?

  well a couple of months ago, when i went to the assembly, seeing my sisters all skinny, and then going to bed bath & beyond and stepping on a scale....triggered me.

  i felt so crappy.

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  Fleur

  I care too!

  Thanks for the update, I am sorry to hear about your sister, oh, she sounds so much like I was when I was a dub :( I hope so much that you can be close despite her cruddy husband. It sounds like she's being abused emotionally and I would bet if he's anything like my ex was, he dictates how much he wants her to weigh :(

  Congratulations on the weight loss, that's wonderful! Don't obsess too much on being a certain size...is the size six sister you spoke of the one who's ana? If she is, you might find that you're healthier as a curvy size 8.

  Please take this in the spirit that it's offered...as someone who has had an eating disorder (never got treated, managed to survive it) in my teens and twenties. Don't get hung up on size...go by how you feel. Sounds like you feel wonderful...and I cheer you on as you strive toward the goal of being truly healthy!!!

  big hugs and it's great to hear from you!!!

  essie

  (Same essie. lost old esmeralda account info)
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  ``Turning the Tables"Dept.: What About Doing Shepherding on Elders?

  by Room 215 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i wonder how the local elders would like it if a couple of of us ``weak ones" were to stop by their homes unannounced to discuss ``spiritual matters" with them and their families?

  it may be an unfair generalization, but it seems to me that every encounter with an elder has to be on their terms.

  locally here, few if any jws know the addresses of the elders or has ever been to any of their homes; this is especially true of any dub regarded as ``weak," ``irregular" or ``marginal.

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  Oh, wouldn't that be rich. Can we start with elders who are members of your own family? LOL I could have a laundry list of things to 'point out' that need correction about the two elders in my family.

  an aside: Dannybear! It's been forever! big hugs!!!

  love

  essie

  (same old essie, lost old esmeralda account info)
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  "Jehovah our Rock, our strength, and our might..."

  by Fleur in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in among the bags and boxes of keepsakes that my mother gave to me from my grandmother's belongings, something of an emotional nuclear bomb was hiding on me.

  or more like a landmine; because i didn't realize the damage it could do until it was too late to do anything about it.

  mom had given me first choice of most of grandma's things, knowing how close we were, and i had wanted the box of ancient k-mart brand cassette tapes, now 30 years old, which had recordings of her voice, and mine, when i was tiny.

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  Fleur

  Thanks so much for listening to me ramble, ((((((((((LDH)))))))) I am sure that there are so many millions of stories like my grandparents...makes me sad. I know mine isn't unique...I just like to think that maybe with the internet now that as generations go on, there will be less people who are taken in by the WTS propaganda. We can only hope...

  JamesThomas, there you go, making me cry again *laugh, tears* I spent more than an hour this morning just reading past posts of yours, stringing some of them together into a text file for myself on days when I need to be inspired. You say the beauty is something in me, but I see an awful lot of beauty that can't come from anywhere but inside of you when you post. Thank you for your kind words.

  Thank you for taking the time to contribute to this forum, I wish you'd write a book!

  hugs

  essie
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  "Jehovah our Rock, our strength, and our might..."

  by Fleur in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in among the bags and boxes of keepsakes that my mother gave to me from my grandmother's belongings, something of an emotional nuclear bomb was hiding on me.

  or more like a landmine; because i didn't realize the damage it could do until it was too late to do anything about it.

  mom had given me first choice of most of grandma's things, knowing how close we were, and i had wanted the box of ancient k-mart brand cassette tapes, now 30 years old, which had recordings of her voice, and mine, when i was tiny.

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  Fleur

  Thanks Andi, and Starfish for reading (((((((hugs)))))))) I am so emotional today I watched "The Five People You Meet in Heaven" last night and between that, finding the tape and putting away all my grandma's things...I'm a basket case today. Have had Talia and Mario on my mind too nonstop...

  thanks again for listening...

  love

  essie
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  "New system" questions

  by JustTickledPink in

  1. jw
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  do you remember all the hype about the "paradise" and then the natural questions that followed that no one has answers to... like,.

  "will we have cars in the new system?

  " - uh, well jehovah will provide us with whatever we need.

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  Fleur

  I know that my grandmother was deeply troubled by the 'resurrected will not marry' bit. She waited faithfully for my grandfather, never took off her rings till she died, and I know that bothers my mom too. I used to tell Grandma that if Jah was going to grant the desires of your heart, that surely she and he would be together because that was all they wanted.

  Me, the thing that really got me doubting/wondering was when they said the lives of my miscarried babies didn't matter to God to have any future life. I used to wonder if I would get to raise parentless babies to make up for it.

  Glad I don't have to worry about trying to justify and explain any of their nonsense to myself anymore. What a circus.

  essie
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  Why do you post?

  by Xena in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  threads, posts within threads...life events, doctrine, hopes, dreams, drama.....what causes you to post here?

  what do you feel you get from it?

  or give to others?.

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  Fleur

  I post because I have been helped so much by the knowledge that I'm not alone "out here" (as opposed to 'in there') that I want to help others in the same way, if I can. To remind them that they are not alone, either.

  There is so much to learn here...posts like this, gawd JamesThomas, I need kleenex every time I read one of your posts. They're so beautiful and clear, I can only hope and dream that someday such peace and clarity will be mine too.

  "Because it may be helpful to be reminded that the Truth is not in beliefs or encased within some other person, place or thing, but rather -- infinitely closer. It is That, which looks out the eyes and reads this now, that is far more than the broken person it believes itself to be; and is Itself the wholeness we seek -- and the end of all suffering." ~JamesThomas

  I mean...come on! That is BEAUTIFUL and you can't find that kind of insight other places.

  It's kind of like we all served in the same war. There are things we've been through that others can't understand because they just haven't been there. That is why all of us, whoever we are and why-ever we post here, keep coming back, really. Because we need each other, whether we want to admit it or not.

  love

  essie