Hi Mark
Glad you're here.
myauntfanny
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Interesting read, very controversial
by New Castles inread something today, that i thought was very interesting.
it screams in the face of thousands of years of christian belief.
it expresses the authors belief that jesus's sacrifice was in vain.. "if i owe a person money, and cannot pay him, and he threatens to put me in prison, another person can take the debt upon himself, and pay it for me.
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myauntfanny
Third: Jesus saved us, not from our guilt, but by accepting punishment in our place. He took responsibility for us, much as a parent might accept the conviction of a minor child. In Oregon, for example, a parent can go to jail for the crimes of their children. So, this concept does work in human law in some locations. Your theory does not in any way refute the religious theory and concepts found in the Bible.
Okay, but what I can't make sense of is people always say that the death of jesus washes away their guilt, if they accept him.Him accepting punishment in our place, I can't see how that erases the guilt.
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Interesting read, very controversial
by New Castles inread something today, that i thought was very interesting.
it screams in the face of thousands of years of christian belief.
it expresses the authors belief that jesus's sacrifice was in vain.. "if i owe a person money, and cannot pay him, and he threatens to put me in prison, another person can take the debt upon himself, and pay it for me.
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myauntfanny
Well, I have real big problem understanding the idea of salvation through christs death, on the same grounds. I just can't see how the suffering and/or death of a person who didn't commit the crime, can take away the guilt of the person who did. I've asked loads of people, no one seems to be able to help me understand it. But I read an article in Time magazine that at least showed me that no one understands it, not on logical grounds anyway. It said there have been various theories over at least a 1000 years, and listed a few. None of them made sense to me.
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Do Jehovah's Witnesses Have the Only True Religion
by Theocrat inwhether you're a doubter or another agitator, just look at what the bible says: .
1- jesus started one true christian religion.
after the christian arrangement had been established for some time, the apostle paul under inspiration further showed at ephesians 4:4, 5 that there must be just one body, or group, of true worshipers of god.
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myauntfanny
Whether you're a doubter or another agitator, just look at what the Bible says:
Jesus seems to have been quite an agitator himself.
1- Jesus started one true Christian religion. After the Christian arrangement had been established for some time, the Apostle Paul under inspiration further showed at Ephesians 4:4, 5 that there must be just one body, or group, of true worshipers of God. Plus, Jesus taught us at Matthew 7:13, 14 that only a few people are on the narrow road to life.
But it doesn't mention anywhere in the Bible that JWs are the one true religion.
2- The Bible foretold at Matthew 7:15, 21-23 that after the death of the apostles, wrong teachings and unchristian practices would slowly come into the Christian congregation. And Acts 20:29, 30 show that men would draw away believers to follow them instead of Christ. That is why we see so many different religions that claim to be Christian, but that doesn't mean that they are all acceptable ways to God.
Those men could just as well be the Governing Body as anybody else, since it doesn't specify anyone by name.
3- The most outstanding mark of true Christians according to John 13:34, 35 is that they have real love among themselves. They are not taught to think that they are better than people of other races or skin color. They aren't taught to hate people from other countries. So they do not share in wars.
No, they're only taught to hate anyone who disagrees with them, which includes, let's see, almost everyone on earth. They don't share in wars but they're all sitting around hoping desperately for the big one that's gonna kill, oops, that would be almost everyone on earth again, including own friends and relatives. I'm not seeing the love here.
4- Another mark of true religion is that its members have a deep respect for the Bible. They accept it as the Word of God and believe what it says. They treat God's Word as being more important than human ideas or customs, as Jesus stressed that importance at Matthew 15:1-3, 7-9. They try to live by the Bible in their everyday life. So they do not preach one thing and then practice another.
There's an awful lot of room for interpretation in living by the bible. There's not a single word in there that specifies JWs as having the right interpretation. But maybe that's just a mistake in the translation.
5- According to Matthew 6:9 the true religion must also honor God's name. Jesus made God's name, Jehovah, known to others. True Christians must do the same.
I'm not getting this. Lots of non-JWs use the name Jehovah. JWs use the name Jehovah. Where's the specialness?
6- True Christians must preach about God's Kingdom. Jesus did so. He always talked about the Kingdom. At Matthew 24:14 and 28:19 he commanded his disciples to preach this same message in all the earth. That Kingdom is the only thing that will bring true peace and security to this earth
Well, I meet lots of people who preach to me about Jesus as saviour. They're all over the place. So no extra credit points there.
7- Jesus' disciples must be no part of this wicked world, as stated at John 17:16. They do not get involved in the world's political affairs and social controversies. They avoid the harmful conduct, practices, and attitudes that are common in the world.
Jesus himself certainly DIDN'T avoid them, he started the biggest political controversy of his time, by saying the people in power were corrupt. Religon WAS politics, and pretty much still is, maybe that's why the JWs joined up with the UN? And lots of JWs indulge in the harmful conduct, practices and attitudes that are common in the world. Exes on here talk all the time about the hypocrital hanky-panky they saw going on, from wife beating to pedophilia to alcoholism, and lord knows I've seen enough of it myself. There's scandal and nonsense from top to bottom and beginning to end of this organisation. Then JWs say, oh but that's just imperfect people. Okay, well then exactly who is it that is supposed to be the basis of this particular "proof" that JWs are the one true religion? -
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Do some people deserve DFing
by XQsThaiPoes inan elder (the treasurer) at our old hall was dfed for cheating on his wife.
the guy is a dinosaur.
he should be shunned, and have his car keyed.
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myauntfanny
What's the point really? I think DFing is silly and childish and melodramatic, and it's really just a form of bullying. Mature adults can cope with having an unpleasant person around sometimes.
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RIDDLES
by Sassy inimagine yourself driving along on a wild stormy night.
you pass by a bus stop, and you see three people waiting for the bus.
1. an old lady who is about to die.
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myauntfanny
I can't see what's in the darned picture and it's driving me crazy.
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divorce, stress and the unknowns?...
by Axelspeed infor those who have been thru it (i hate the sound of the word), what is the most stressful aspect and what would you do differently?
and what did you not expect?
i would like to know as right now it has become a real possibility for me.
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myauntfanny
It's very sad to end a long marriage, especially if you married young and it's your first marriage. But honestly, if it's over in your heart, I don't think you do her any favour by staying. If she's chosen her religion over you, then she needs to accept the consequences and move on and try to find someone who can give her what she needs. People inevitably feel guilty about being the one who makes the first move, but in my experience both partners share the responsibility, even if the one who has been left doesn't feel that way.
The unknowns are not so bad. Some people just heave a sigh of relief after a divorce, but most people have a period of being absolutely lost and wretched, and then things pick up. Sometimes fear is the price you have to pay for being true to yourself. When you're lying on your deathbed, which life do you want to look back on? One where you stuck up for yourself, and went for what you needed? Or one where you gave up on yourself and what you needed? That's the question that always gets me moving when I'd rather avoid the hassle.
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Just thought I'd introduce myself, finally!
by TrailBlazer04 ini was never "in" the wts, but my husband's x-wife and children are jw.
he never was...it's a long story, but between the "religion" and other stuff, she's managed to inflict so much damage and pain on him that at one point he was suicidal...so much for "christian love", ya know?.
looking forward to talking more, if that's ok with everybody!.
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myauntfanny
Hi Trailblazer, I'm new around here myself.
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My bizarre last few days...
by CeriseRose inso i basically spent last week hibernating with my english lit books and studying.
i had 3 essays to finish (one left and i'm slacking horridly on it) and my final exam last saturday (i think i did reallly well!
yay!).
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myauntfanny
I think that being as kind, warm and compassionate as possible is probably the best route (with boundaries against being witnessed to, of course). I think that in itself can plant seeds of doubt, because JWs are actually pretty cold and unkind to each other a lot of the time, in my experience. I have found that any kind of logic or reason is absolutely ineffective and pointless. I wonder if there are any exes on here that left because someone reasoned with them?
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Need Motivation
by copsec inugh, i need to work out and have no motivation.
the last several weeks, i have been doing 1 1/2 - 2 miles a night on the treadmill, lifting weights and doing 50 sit-ups a night.
not much i know but it's a start.
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myauntfanny
About the only thing that motivates me is looking in the mirror and realising I'm not young anymore, but I'm not ready to be old yet. The only exercise I like is dancing (salsa) because everything else bores me to tears. I'm sure it's about as unhip as you can get, but it's really fun and will definitiely get your heart going. Sexy too.