When I was a kid the JW God never answered one single prayer and I was very angry, bitter and atheistic about it for years. Now I believe in Something. I usually call it the Divine Whatever. I agree with Markfromcali that our concepts cannot approach whatever It really is. I don't think there's only one right concept of It. I think anyone can approach It from any direction, maybe even one that seems sinful to others. I don't exactly pray anymore, but I have noticed that a certain kind of intention, that is joyful and wholehearted and focused, can bring things about.
myauntfanny
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What Is YOUR Concept of "God"?
by minimus inis he/she "real"?
are you now unsure of "god's" existence?
do you ever pray to "god", anymore??
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Hello, I'm new here
by paulE ini've visited this board before and enjoyed it very much.
i was disfellowshipped many years ago, then went through 7 years of not even thinking about jws.
three years ago i started studying the bible.
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myauntfanny
Hi PaulE
I was just reading an article on the Watching the Watchtower site, and it said that basically the way you did it is the best way. It said that bringing up lots of doctrinal arguments and/or dirt about the org will just arouse their defenses. The best way is just to be exactly like you were, basically, kind and good, so they can see that people outside the org aren't evil demons. So maybe it was just a good intuition that kept you silent, and not old bad programming.
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Confuzzzzzzzzzzzing Friends and Foes
by simplesally inq: isn't that exactly what happens in china?.
q: like in iraq?.
q: and like in china, too?.
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myauntfanny
That's just brilliant, simple sally? Did you write it yourself?
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the most inconseqvent rule among JWs
by happy man ini can take one exampel.. we all now about the polyci to convickt sexabuser ot pedofiles,you must have two wittneses to what happend if not we must putt it i n jehovas hand,.
but if you sleep over together before you are married, you dont need any wittneses att al to be dfd or reeprofed, even if it is a third person ther it is an dfd thing says the elder book.enen if it is an third person ther.. why it is so important widh two wittneses to judge sexabuser, but when it comes to peopel as doing nothing only sleep over in the same department it need no wittneses att al to bad things happend to dfd them.. so you can be harder judged if you only sleep in a bed than if you rape chilrden, or sex abuse them in any way,this is not so unusal, i have among my family peopel as have been judged fore this minor thing, sleeping over widhuot doing anything, the punishment was totaly reeprof.. i have also exampel from elder as have use girls under 15 fore porniea, and the punishment was only steep down as an elder.. some very hard things to deal widh fore mee and some alse as now this.. i can also ask one more qestion, wt have told us to tell evrythnig bad we do at once, but if we hide it fore a long time, how will it effeckt the puishment?.
softer or harder , intresting to see what your answer on this is, i new it and will tell later.. ..
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myauntfanny
But when it comes to yung peopel as sleeping over toghter, and do nothing it is a very heavy crime, pleas tell mee the place in the bibel as say this is a sinn, isn´t arule as the elders must follow , besides what , has happend.
I thought JWs had that covered with the injunction against stumbling others. Just like every other fun innocent thing a young person might want to do.
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Maturity....
by logansrun infrom alexei panshin's "rite of passage".
"it was only after i came back from trial that i came to a notion of my own as to what maturity consists of .
maturity is the ability to sort the portions of truth from the accepted lies ad self-deceptions that you have grown up with.
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myauntfanny
I like good manners too, that is, what I THINK of as good manners. But manners are very cultural and subjective, that's all I mean. If I travel to a country where people get too close, or make a lot more eye contact or less or whatever than I'm accustomed to, or all crowd around instead of getting properly in line, then I experience them as having lousy manners and I get very uncomfortable and irritated. But I know that for them, that's not bad manners. That's why even though manners are really important to me, and I might not even like people who don't have MY manners, I wouldn't use them as a criterion of maturity.
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Maturity....
by logansrun infrom alexei panshin's "rite of passage".
"it was only after i came back from trial that i came to a notion of my own as to what maturity consists of .
maturity is the ability to sort the portions of truth from the accepted lies ad self-deceptions that you have grown up with.
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myauntfanny
Well, I agree with Panshin. I think even good manners can be immature if you're just doing what you were raised to do, without questioning whether it makes sense.
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I attended Workshop for former cult members! Read!
by GermanXJW inthe first week-end in september i attended an anti cult workhop here in germany.
it was conducted by german psychologist dieter rohmann.
his website can be found at http://www.kulte.de/person.html.
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myauntfanny
GermanJW
Can you please tell me where in Germany those are being held?
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Identity Cards ... good or bad idea?
by Simon inone of the questions in the uk at the moment is whether we shoudl have identity cards or not.. the government, who wants them, claims they will "help to prevent terrorism".
spain and the usa both have identity cards and they have had big terrorist attacks.
it's never been explained exactly how they will stop terrorists.. my personal opinion is that they are just another government play to control people, another form of tax (you can bet it will cost us to get them) and i have my doubts as to whether the government could run a large scale it project of that magnitude (given it's track record) and whether the estimated 3bn won't end up many years late and at least 10bn over-budget.
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myauntfanny
oops, sorry, post 62 and 63 were for plmcrzy.
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Identity Cards ... good or bad idea?
by Simon inone of the questions in the uk at the moment is whether we shoudl have identity cards or not.. the government, who wants them, claims they will "help to prevent terrorism".
spain and the usa both have identity cards and they have had big terrorist attacks.
it's never been explained exactly how they will stop terrorists.. my personal opinion is that they are just another government play to control people, another form of tax (you can bet it will cost us to get them) and i have my doubts as to whether the government could run a large scale it project of that magnitude (given it's track record) and whether the estimated 3bn won't end up many years late and at least 10bn over-budget.
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myauntfanny
But I do have to add, just speaking for myself, cuz I don't know if all exJWs are like this, that I do think being brought up in the truth made me paranoid about governments, and I think that does linger.
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Identity Cards ... good or bad idea?
by Simon inone of the questions in the uk at the moment is whether we shoudl have identity cards or not.. the government, who wants them, claims they will "help to prevent terrorism".
spain and the usa both have identity cards and they have had big terrorist attacks.
it's never been explained exactly how they will stop terrorists.. my personal opinion is that they are just another government play to control people, another form of tax (you can bet it will cost us to get them) and i have my doubts as to whether the government could run a large scale it project of that magnitude (given it's track record) and whether the estimated 3bn won't end up many years late and at least 10bn over-budget.
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myauntfanny
I think you bring up an interesting point, but I know loads of people who have never been JWs who who range from highly uncomfortable to outraged about the idea. And they aren't all just old hippie-wish-I'd-beens like me.