Posts by Snapdragon

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Suicide Update 8-31-04 and How You Can Help

by Corvin in

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i have been very busy, but i am getting some sleep compliments of my doctor?s coolness.

mary and i went to see nancy?s doctor for a long chat in which i went into a lot of detail regarding nancy?s indoctrination, her engrained fears and beliefs about, god, the bible, people and life, and how they relate to the culmination of this suicide attempt.

i explained what being labeled "bad association" meant to her and how devastating the prospect and reality of shunning is .

Snapdragon

Corvin,

wow bro, I just got back from vacation to find this bizzare melt down. I am so sorry, my friend. I know we've only passed in postings a few times, but I read a lot more than I post. I feel very close to many people here, and follow their plights, even when they don't realize it. Again, just to add to the other multitudes, you have my support and love... way over here in Wisconsin. Thanks for keeping us updated.

And please pass on my feelings to your family if you discuss this place with them.

~A

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its just me ,,,,

by looking-4-the-truth in

how are you ... and hope everyone is good.

anyways, i'm a muslim guy and i live in the states ,,, i do love living in here ,,, and my wife is christain " mormon " ,,,,,,,,,,, .

and i'd love to discuse with one of you about the bible ,,,,,,, .

Snapdragon

Hi Looking-4-the -Truth, welcome to our board. Its not often that we get people of the Muslim faith here, so I hope you stick around. Your input could be quite interesting. If you're looking to discuss bible/koran issues, you've come to the right place. There are many here who are VERY well versed in bible scripture. Although, we will not know quite so much about your scriptures. This will be fun to watch.

Tell us more about your family. Where on earth would you meet, and marry a Mormon raised woman. I bet this poses interesting ideals about the raising of a family. Where are you originally from?

Part of my family is Mormon, so that is why I'm interested in your wife. Its a bit unusual for Mormons to marry outside the faith (just like JW's) because its discouraged.

Anyway, welcome, again.

~Snapdragon

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Pick a pair

by JH in

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pick 2 posters that you find are very alike.. example:.

jh starts many threads and asks many questions.

minimus starts many threads and asks many questions.... ok, your turn, pick a pair of posters that have alot in commun.

Snapdragon

Hey, I just made my first status jump. Cool. About damn time!

~Snap of the junior class. he he

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Pick a pair

by JH in

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friends

pick 2 posters that you find are very alike.. example:.

jh starts many threads and asks many questions.

minimus starts many threads and asks many questions.... ok, your turn, pick a pair of posters that have alot in commun.

Snapdragon

I'll bite:

Okay, Obviously Secret and Need for Speed. Two of my favorite little guys around. They're both very smart and out going for their young ages (16 and 13 respectively) and I feel this very sisterly protectiveness for them. I adore them both.

Speaking of.....has anyone seen OS lately?? I haven't seen the twerp for quite some time. He used to always greet me in chat at noon or so. School, I hope?

~Snapdragon

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What plan's do you have for Labor Day weekend?

by kls in

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i don't have any except work on my 68 charger.

so i want to hear yours so i can think of you having fun.,,,,,,,,,, please be safe no matter what you do.

ps , and i am nosey

Snapdragon

I'll be out with the inlaws tonight....unbelievable food and wine at this restraunt: Griglia Tuscany, here in Madison. Then off to Karaoke with the friends after 10pm. Nothing like drinking and singing!

Tomorrow, Saturday, well thats my 5th wedding anniversary. But my husband says he'll be out roofing, thanks a lot buddy. He'd better be planning on making me dinner!

Sunday, how about grilling out and hanging with all our friends. I have to work Monday at the hospital, so I can't be too naughty.

And I might as well let you all in on my vacation. Starting this upcoming tuesday I won't be around for about two weeks. Me and the boys (husband and puppy) are taking a car trip around Wisconsin. We seem to know Europe better than our home state. So we'll be cruisin. I'll miss you guys, but maybe I'll find a good internet cafe out there some where.

Thanks for asking kls. Hope your weekend isn't too lame

~Snapdragon

ps. Hey anyone have any suggestions about "must-sees" in Wisconsin?

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What Is The Real Truth Behind Disfellowshipping?

by Golf in

the many posts about disfellowshipping prompted to throw in my 2 cents.

what is the real truth behind disfellowshipping?

my present thinking is this, over the years, jw's have been indoctrinated to avoid 'independent' thinking.

Snapdragon

Good point Ezekiel. I had often thought of it that way, only never put it into words. Remember how much they down play the "shunning" aspect, when questioned about it during studies? I'd sit there and bite my tongue, thinking about my family all the while. Makes my hairs rise!

And thanks for the clarification there, Bot and Rat. I was using "communism" in the sense that the average lay person does, though. No offense intended.

~Snap

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What Is The Real Truth Behind Disfellowshipping?

by Golf in

the many posts about disfellowshipping prompted to throw in my 2 cents.

what is the real truth behind disfellowshipping?

my present thinking is this, over the years, jw's have been indoctrinated to avoid 'independent' thinking.

Snapdragon

It think your last point is quite valid, Guest.

Look around this forum. I'd say on whole, the people who were DF'd, Removed etc, are the strong willed ones. We've all been described by the elders as "spiritually stagnant, strong willed, unwilling to follow (my favorite word) guidance". I bet money that if we could compare all our cards the elders kept on us, we'd see a trend.

I've often thought about the real truth behind disfellowshipping. It has TORN my family to shreds. Some people follow the rules more diligently then others, in my family. My grandparents have been unable to completely toss aside their daughter (my mom), while her own sisters act with selfless love for the Jehovah, and shun her. If they were to see the error of their ways now, think of how destroyed the past 15 years would be for them.

It is like a lot of us here, following the way whole heartedly, only to be forced to see the falsities we were living for so long. Remember how painful that truth was/is? Disfellowshipping remains because to deny the validity of it now underminds a major stone in the WTBTS foundation.

~Snapdragon

And yes, communism is a great analogy. I'd never thought of it that way. The only difference being that communists could force an entire nation to become part of the collective. But Witnesses practice in a freedom-of-religious-choice country; so you join by free will, but you end up getting stuck, by free will, too.

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My non-jw family's 1st memorial

by christopherrobin in

it was right before i was apponted an m.s.

i was also dating a young sis at the time and was so thrilled that my family would see the beauty of this 'spiritual paradise'.

my mom and three sisters went and my mother was clear that she would not tolerate anything to embarass me.

Snapdragon

Great story, it reminded me suddenly of many funny stories as well.

They all pretty much delt with the dress sucked into the black-hole-of-a-large-ass-crack. But imagine that....(while sitting behind the person) and the ass had popped out through the back side of the folding chair.

Hard to hold in the laughter. I was pretty much sick from choking on my giggles! Especially since this person was my own family member, and I happened to be sitting behind her for the first time, ever. I looked over in horror to my friend I was with, she just nodded in sad acknowledgment.

Good times at the hall

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the returning ... a question for thos raised in hell (whoops "the truth")

by Odinseeker in

i was just wondering for thos that have been raised within and then were df'ed ... did you return before giving it up for good?.

i grew up with the terror of post vnam and 1975 being the end or the end being just around the cornor, i was df'ed, thought long and hard.

and returned anyway.

Snapdragon

Oh, and "hi" and welcome to you and Merry, and Mysterio. Watch out for the addictive nature of this environment. Its amazing how used to encouragement and support you'll become

Mysterio....I guess we're neighbors, and the same age. Any chance you ever attended a Madison Wisconsin meeting, in the mid 90's?

See you all around,

~A

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the returning ... a question for thos raised in hell (whoops "the truth")

by Odinseeker in

i was just wondering for thos that have been raised within and then were df'ed ... did you return before giving it up for good?.

i grew up with the terror of post vnam and 1975 being the end or the end being just around the cornor, i was df'ed, thought long and hard.

and returned anyway.

Snapdragon

It must be THE way to leave for good. My mother was back and forth many times. I recall the murmurs as we took our seats at the Thursday night meeting. "Oh, she's back again, wonder how long this will last?" I don't know that its what they said, but its what I was thinking.

It makes a world of sense, when you're raised to follow only one way of life, what else is there? Of course you'll try to go back. You feel this is the only truth. I did, (think it was the one truth) even until very recently. You all here, you helped me make up my mind on this matter. Thank you a million times over, again.

Just my bit.

~Snappy