hello,forum.my name is dallas and i live in oklahoma.i left the jehovahs witnesses in 1998 after a former member showed me the 1925 false prophecy.i knew circuit overseer william osbeck very well,he left my circuit only to be replaced with brother"if you knock the society i will scream"boatz.he was nothing but a first class coward.he wouldnt even meet with me after i had disassociated myself.i have no regrets about leaving,why didnt my conducters bring up the 1925 failure while i was studying?they failed to mention it.anyway i am glad to be free.god bless you all.-dallas
Dear Truth, welcome to our family! I'm so sorry to hear another story of neglect, denial and cowardace. But that is why we're all here. We know. We understand. You're surrounded by those who are eager to listen and help.
As for names, I think you're supposed to be very careful...Liability I imagine. Someone correct me if I'm wrong here...Forum Asst?
Anyway, welcome again and I'm looking forward to reading more from you.
~Snapdragon
my name is michelle jackson (hamlin) and i grew up in paducah, ky and murray, ky. i also lived in baton rouge, la and some other places.
now i live in knoxville, tn.
i was raised a jw, third generation.
Hi Michelle,
welcome.
I'm so sorry to hear about your struggles. I'm sure there's a lot more story where that came from, am I right?
Well you've come to the right place. You're amoungst true friends now. You may not agree with all of us, or even like all of us....but you'll always be very welcome.
Looking forward to seeing you around.
~Snapdragon
for skeptics, true believers and people like me.
i have heard or read, on this forum and in other mediums, of people who claim to have had experiences that can only be described as "ecstatic, mystical, spiritual, supernatural" etc.
they all claim that the experience was real, in fact, more real than reality itself.
Great thread all:
I have to agree with Franklin J. I never had any such experience while I was involved with the Witnesses. I wanted one so badly though. I thought that would help me have the blind faith that everyone said I was lacking.
It never came.
~Snapdragon
from the telegraph.co.uk but you have to register.. ban on torture overruled in pentagon.
by david rennie in washington.
(filed: 08/06/2004) .
What ever happened to the first sentence of our constitution?
~A
... then he's even dumber than he looks !.
the results are coming in for the local council elections and tony blair / labour are getting a thumping .
the message is simple: don't lie to us and treat us like idiots and don't put the will of some foreign leader above the will of your own people.there were even suggestions by the tories that labour may be heading for one of its worst ever results in such elections.
Simon, I don't know how you felt about Tony before, but my impression over here of him, was that he was a fairly straight forward guy. I did like him. But the people need to be heard and acknowledged.
Lets just hope the same thing happens to the Shrub Administration.
(sorry all Bush supporters out here, this is just my opinion....I have a brother thats been stuck in Iraq for over a year.)
The usually not politically outspoken,
~Snapdragon
hello all; my jaw dropped monday at the bookstudy.at the book study on monday, the only meeting i can stomach anymore, a statement was made that made my blood boil.
in asking the question "how does god protect us?
" sister elder answered this way: "well, one of the ways is like that abuse case that was filed in the (twin) cities, or wherever, (sic) it turns out it was thrown out because all the charges were false, or whatever.
Pist- I've gotta know, was there any reaction at the book study? Did people seem embarrased, or uncomfortable?
My biggest problem with the B.S. (book study, hah, isn't that fitting) was that we were never allowed to ask real questions, or come up with real answers.
Unfortunately the answer that lady gave reminds me of a thousand I've heard before. Only its been so long since I was at a meeting, that I can't remember exactly what was said. It just rings familiar with me.
Sadly,
~Snapdragon
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i am new to the post and looking to meet girls the age of 18-22. i am a college senior in texas and an ms and my local congregation but there is a shortage of nice looking women around here.
maybe i can meet new friends on here.
Danny, I gotta tell ya, you make me laugh. I honestly can't tell if you're seriously as scary as you seem...or if you've got a killer sense of humor. Thank god for online fellowship. You're the first one I'd expect to go postal.
~Snapdragon
you don't happen to be a card carrying member of the NRA, do you?? Just wondering.
biblical proof of the trinity
colossians 2:17
beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to christ.
I apologize, Hooberus, I wrote that reply when I was very tired. (I only seem to have time to check this, when I'm needing a nap!) I should have written it more clearly: I meant this:
The bible does teach that the God and Jesus are distinct personalities...however, it is the trinity doctrine (written up at the council of Nicea 325, by men) that says they are seperate, yet the same being. The bible never says that, written in that manner. Every passage people use to prove it, from the bible, falls short of saying it in black and white. (Except for John 1:1 IMO, which I talk about above.) I guess I feel like if it is supposed to be that clear...it should be. Why would there be any question if it was so cut and dried? And clearly I am not the first to question all of this. Look up Arius, and read his arguments. Its all quite interesting.
As I said before, I do not have the answer to this one, I am still searching.
And Truth, you're right I owe you a long one with scripture to back it up. However, today there is no way I can do this. But when I have time, I will sit down with what I do have. Deal?
~A
biblical proof of the trinity
colossians 2:17
beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to christ.
Hooberus, I'm not trying to be offensive....but honestly, look at your response. This is the part where people say...."you cannot explain the trinity, it is a mystery." Well I need more than that. One could say a lot of things and explain them away as the "mystery of God". And your response, I'm sorry, it sounds ridiculous.
Your answer sounds like someone trying to explain away the inconsistencies, to prove their theory. Other than humans deciding that God was fully human and fully God at the same time; this point is never said as such by the inspired word of God. It is may be felt to be implied, but only to those who want to belive in the trinity.
And you say the "trinity teaches the father and son are distinct persons". The dogma of the trinity teaches that, not the bible...which is our only source to go from. I know you'll say the bible does teach that, but again, only if you believe in the trinity. Do you understand what I mean?
Again, not trying to be offensive to trinitarians here, but come on....enough with the mysticm already. We are discussing "biblical proof", not "biblical theory and speculation". Lets stick to the FACTS we have. We're not discussing personal spiritual beliefs.
~A
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am i dreaming this up, or aren't they a pagan symbol?
if so, why would jw's continue to use them as part of a marriage ceremony in jehovah's eyes?.
When I was young, I couldn't watch Casper the Friendly Ghost. When I got older and caught my younger siblings doing it I got really upset with Mom. She just got tired of policing everything we watched. Guess it sounds like the WTBTS gets (a little) tired of policing every pagan thing we have in our culture.
And Ann, welcome to our forum. Most of us are here because we need others who are/where in our shoes, in dealing with this religion. Why do people let it take over? Good topic starter....
~Snapdragon
