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  How did you actually envision Paradise?

  by freedom96 in

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  there was always the talk of the new order, or new system.. but did you ever take the time to wonder what it would really be like?.

  would it look like it big park?

  would it be country like, with acres of land per home?

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  eljefe

  Perfect women everywhere. I would be a perfect man. I would look like Fabio and run around with shirt ripped all the time.
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  PROVE That Jehovah's Witnesses DON'T Have The Truth

  by minimus in

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  jws are convinced they alone have the truth.

  they are scripturally trained to prove to others why they are "in the truth".

  from your vantage point, how can you show this is untrue??

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  Jesus himself gave us the identifying mark
  
  John 13:34
  A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
  13:35
  By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
  
  They don't have love. I asked my Dad (an elder) if he felt loved in the congregation. He said no. End of story.
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  We Should Encourage "Lurkers" To Post Here!

  by minimus in

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  i would like to say that any of you that read this board are more than welcomed to be a part of this group.

  i know some of you are afraid.

  some of you are unsure.

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  eljefe

  I encourage all who are lurking to start posting. If you decide to leave you will need support. You can find this kind of support here. Most people on the outside do not understand what we went through and gave up as a JW. Only those who were JW's and experienced the same thing can understand.
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  Letter to elder, does it make any sense?

  by PinTail in

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  dear steve, since our last study together at our home i have had a few perplexing questions concerning the lunches and other communications with my wife pat while i was left at home, along with my never being asked to participate notwithstanding of who is paying for the meal; besides being her husband and head.. i have wanted to send this letter of inquiry concerning this matter, because it has weighed heavy on my mind, and also in view of the fact that don said at my door earlier with the other fellow that was with him, that you really liked me.

  i feel you are a very good teacher as i mentioned to you on the phone as well as a wise man, so it is in this spirit that i have sent this letter to you.. after the last lunch that you and your wife had with my wife that was at lest two or three in number, me and my wife discussed why the questionings and mysterious arrangements that were apart from me appeared to be planed that way?

  ever since that time i have mulled it over in my mind even at times waking up at night wondering just why there were these coordinated lunches to discuss studying or possibly other subjects, when i would never have restricted my wife?s desire to study even if i do have misgivings concerning some congregational policies.

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  eljefe

  Here is a paraphrased letter:
  
  Dear Steve,
  
  Please leave my wife and myself alone.
  
  Thank you.
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  Questions to ask Ray Franz?

  by Released in

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  sunday the 17th iwill be meeting him for the fist time.

  i would like some feedback as to any questions you all may have(i have a bunch of my own) of which i will post next sunday night.

  please keep them as short as possible so i,m not carrying a whole book when i go.

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  Yes, "Is there anything we can do for you?". Is there was some small/medium appliance he needs or something to that effect?
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  72% Voter Turnout in Iraq

  by Elsewhere in

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  the voter turnout for the 2004 us presidential election was 60.7% (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/a10492-2005jan14.html).

  despite being threatened by terrorists, iraq's voter turnout was much greater than the last us voter turnout!

  i'd say it was a far greater success than expected!

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  Yeah, that's my main objection - those sweeping generalizations. Even if we exclude Spain, France and Germany were a minority in Europe with Italy, UK, Poland (and Ukraine) sending troops. It makes little sense to say European countries have done nothing to help US if you just mean two major countries.
  
  Unfortunately, many Americans subscribe to the John Kerry school of thought. Also, say that the allies were coerced doesn't help either. From the 2004 presidential debate:
  
  KERRY: The United Nations, Kofi Annan offered help after Baghdad fell. And we never picked him up on that and did what was necessary to transfer authority and to transfer reconstruction. It was always American-run.
  
  Secondly, when we went in, there were three countries: Great Britain, Australia and the United States. That's not a grand coalition. We can do better.
  
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  72% Voter Turnout in Iraq

  by Elsewhere in

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  the voter turnout for the 2004 us presidential election was 60.7% (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/a10492-2005jan14.html).

  despite being threatened by terrorists, iraq's voter turnout was much greater than the last us voter turnout!

  i'd say it was a far greater success than expected!

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  eljefe

  I just don't get why Americans get so excited about the alleged 72% Iraqis going to the polls.
  
  We get excited because the Iraqis get excited.
  
  A Kurdish woman wearing a black scarf said simply, "This is the happiest day of my life.
  
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  Did anyone watch the latest Frontline?

  by eljefe in

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  here is the link to it.

  it is about "al qaeda's new front" and talks about the radical muslims in europe and terrorism in general in europe.

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  eljefe

  Here it is again. You can now view it online.
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  Did anyone watch the latest Frontline?

  by eljefe in

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  here is the link to it.

  it is about "al qaeda's new front" and talks about the radical muslims in europe and terrorism in general in europe.

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  eljefe

  This thread is now are you a Democrat or Republican? Do you support Bush or not?
  
  Can't we just be happy for the Iraqi's having their first democratic election in a very long time?
  
  Back to the original question, did you watch the Frontline about al-Qaeda that is airing on PBS this week?
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  Did anyone watch the latest Frontline?

  by eljefe in

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  here is the link to it.

  it is about "al qaeda's new front" and talks about the radical muslims in europe and terrorism in general in europe.

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  This is a bit harder. The idea that the first were the students in 1980 in Iran is ludicrous.
  
  That was the first direct attack against the US. Before it was Westerners in general. Terrorism in general has been around for a while.
  
  In fact, they could be classed as terrorist insurgents because, as history documents, there were even incidents of terrible attrocities against British soldiers as well as civillian loyalists. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
  
  To be honest, I really find your analogy of our country's independence egregious. Are these terrorists trying to form their own country from occupation. Keep in mind that the majority of Iraq's insurgency is being done by foreign fighters (Jordan, Syria, Iran, etc).
  
  So, we bombed the crap out of Afghanistan to corner this dude...but then, when we nearly had him, Rummy tells our boys "Okay....now stand down...we're going to hire the "Northern Alliance" to go in and ge him....so that doesn't work. What do we do? Oh, what the hey...let's just invade Iraq
  
  There was never any any evidence bin Laden was in Tora Bora. Even Gen. Tommy Franks (the commander at that time) said so.
  
  So what to do? Well, teaching tolerance and providing steps to reduce poverty are always a good start. People who have their basics and some meaning to their lives tend to be much more peaceable.
  
  Even if that were to happen, it would still take a long time to sink in.