my marriage is falling apart.
i loved her, she no longer loves me.
i was so angry i only slept for 45 minutes last night and worked for 14 hours.
I have been there. Cheer you up? Impossible. Best thing that helped me was seeing that others are and were in the same situation. Reading the forums on www.ojar.com and www.marriagebuilders.com (which is ok for breakups too) helped me feel a little better.
Remember to eat. (Although its the 'best' diet plan around)
make it short and convince me that you have the right religion
Hello, my friend _(witness buddy)________ and I are talking to you and your neighbors about (insert topic from placement watchtower or awake ) this issue affects us all, no matter what religion we are. Would you agree?
Yes?______ you'll find this article _______ interesting, it discusses the topic in further detail. Would you like a copy of this, along with its companion, the awake?
No? Would you like a copy of this article that discusses the issue further?
Its no wonder that it hardly works! If I did make a placement, it was to get rid of me, I bet. Thank goodness we don't have to humiliate ourselves with that anymore!
we just went to see the transformers movie at the cinema (see http://www.transformersmovie.com/).
this is an awesome film !!.
way better than the latest sci-fi / adventure flicks (spiderman 3, fantastic 4 - rise of the silver surfer).
Transformers was EXCELLANT. It has been a long time since I have felt like a movie was worth the admission price. This one is. It was very funny too. I just loved the air freshener hanging from the mirror in the car. (check it out, "bee-och")
~Chad
how does it feel knowing that your friends were so conditional----or your family?
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We are dealing with this shunning as well. You know that phone call you get from the family member, and they try to get you to go back to the meetings because "deep down you know its the right thing to do"? Well, we got one of those yesterday.
I used to agree with the shunning, it made since. By shunning the person, you make him/her feel so badly and miss you so much, that he/she has no other choice than to come back into the fold, and fall into line with the rules. Justice wins, all is well, and thru tough love, you saved a life, right? right?
However, now, if I look at it the way "God" is supposed to see it, when shunning works...does it?? No. The person goes back only to appease his family/friends, not because of his "heart condition" missing "the love and protection of the Organization".
Forcing a friend or family member back into the organization by shunning does not really solve the problem. I think huge love bombs would help more. Perhaps patiently waiting on the persons attitude to change, showing only love and warmth, as a family should, would work more effectively. But that won't happen any time soon.
Should have used a strong flash. IMHO. lol.
a neighbor told me about the book, "the secret".
i read it and thoroughly enjoyed.
it places emphasis on the "universe" but can be understood to be a supreme being (god).
I have seen the movie, and my wife bought the book. She became very frustrated after not winning the lottery as she should have a few times. I think positive thinking is great, that said, there is nothing wrong with a little hard work either.
I would recommend staying away from it. The problem with it is that it is basically saying that if you think positive thoughts, you get positive actions. That means that every bad thing that has happened to good people just meant that they were thinking negatively?? Really? That's how I understand it...
so i posted a while back about my marriage problems.... whole new gambit thrown into the mix.
i've had suspicions all along that something like this might be happening... but only just not confirmed that she's been cheating on me... with another jw that she works with!
she could have been more discreet about it rather than leave all the text messages on her phone.
I hate to say it, but been there, done that, too. Try this website: www.ojar.com it helped me quite a bit, for great pointers, and to know that I was not alone. You should also see: www.marriagebuilders.com , no matter which way you go....best of luck...
i heard this on the "bob and tom show", a morning radio program out of indianapolis, indiana, usa.
i listen every (workday) morning, its great.
they had this http://joshualowry.vox.com/library/audio/6a00c225203796f21900c2252ab8c18e1d.html some time last year, and i just found a site playing it.
I heard this on the "Bob and Tom Show", a morning radio program out of Indianapolis, Indiana, USA. I listen every (workday) morning, its great. They had this http://joshualowry.vox.com/library/audio/6a00c225203796f21900c2252ab8c18e1d.html some time last year, and I just found a site playing it. Check it out.
it's obvious that the jw view of shunning goes way beyond anything called for in the bible.
1 cor 5:11-13 says,(nwt) "but now i am writing you to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man.
for what do i have to do with judging those outside?
I am very interested in others comments on this as well. I would love to have points to "reason from the scriptures" on this topic of shunning. I think the example of Jesus and Peter is a great start.
for whatever reason.
do you question it sometimes and think you should try to "reach out" to them again?
i was this morning and then came across the thread above and was reminded why i need to stay away.. but, still, i read threads of people who have managed somehow, despite being d'f'ed or faded or d'aed and think i might try to be more understanding, supportive, reach out or something.. despite all the problems growing up in a fairly dysfunctional family, i still feel a deep attachment to them and hope against hope that they might come to their senses (if they ever had any to begin with) and get help and leave the cult of jehobo; and we might reconcile,etc., etc., blah blah blah dream dream dream.. i deeply wish for them all freedom and happiness and healing and feel so helpless to free them of their bonds and yet see so much possibility for it, if only they could be reached somehow.
This thread is very timely. My wife was just crying this morning because her niece is having a high school graduation party today, and of course, we are not invited. Her brother will only talk to her about business, and that's about it. No invitation. No nothing. No surprise. We heard about it through her parents, who are half in the org.
We knew what we were getting into, but that does not help take the sting out of it all. They think that they are helping us by shunning, so that we see the "right" course. All they are really helping us see is how awful the witnesses can be.
I just hate it so much. But, what can we do? I say nothing. Like it's been said, living a good clean life outside the org is the best "anti" witness. They would never hear anything that contradicts what they have been programmed. It is so sad. So sad.
My kids will hardly know their cousins, just as I never knew mine. Funny, because in my early years, Mom was shunning our "worldly" family, so I never knew most of my real family. Now, since I am "worldly", my kids will not know their cousins in the "truth". What goes around comes around, eh?
No easy answers.
You are not alone.
