Forty...
You need to quit talking while you're ahead. You're really making yourself look like an idiot.
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sniperdoc
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Wasn't Saddam ousted for doing precisely this sort of thing?
by Simon inutterly disgusting.
those responsible should be lined against a wall and shot.
publicly.. i think that would win more hearts and minds than bombing cities and using gunships on civilian areas.. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930/.
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Wasn't Saddam ousted for doing precisely this sort of thing?
by Simon inutterly disgusting.
those responsible should be lined against a wall and shot.
publicly.. i think that would win more hearts and minds than bombing cities and using gunships on civilian areas.. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930/.
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I feel I need to interject here. First off, Simon I totally agree with you. I think the people accused in this incident should be made a public example of to the severest level. I can sense Bush's frustration with this and it's totally understandable. I felt it myself when I first learned of it. When I was over there we worked *SO HARD* to maintain the respect of the community. You never see the good things being done over there. You don't see the efforts to rebuild parks and reestablish utilities which the insurgents would keep blowing up in an effort to prove incompetency on the part of the forces. You don't see all the efforts made towards rebuilding the schools and then people loot the schools because of the new items there.
When I was on ship on my way over to Iraq I was having serious doubts about going into the country. But talking and living with the people every day completely changed my mind. You want to argue about whether or not Saddam gassed people, or how many he gassed? You're an idiot. Go over and talk to the people. You don't even have to ask around they will just thank you and tell you hoe they personally or either someone they know were terrorized by Saddam. Should I itemize the times people would tell me about there entire families being wiped out or their daughters were exploited or Saddam drinking the blood of the people he killed (from the wrist) or the people that were fed to Uday's tigers. I can continue but I won't. Or no...what about all the schools that we would go clear because they were loaded with weapons. Or the lack opf welfare programs for the orphans. Saddam lived frivolously in the face of a poverty stricken nation. Skimming huge percentages from the Oil for Food program at the expense of resources for a nation in dire straits. I *KNOW* we are making progress over there.
Media is liberal and has an agenda and as such are going to make a conservative leader look like a shmuck, not that GW necessarily needs anyone's help. I personally find him a bit dopey myself. By the frustration is real and I can relate. Because of the way media and politics work this situation is going to totally be exploited for public opinion and used against the effort.
I have said this before and I will say it again, those people involved were ARMY, a bunch of unprofessional (IMO) shmucks that can't handle war and can barely handle occupying. They train soft and as a result they control soft. When we (I am with Marines) were side by side in Hillah (Babylon) with the Army, the local police forces had no respect for the Army. They offered no help in pursuing insurgents and showed no discipline in dealing with thugs and loyalists. The Marines were aggresive as they needed to be and it worked.
I can talk for days on this. Simon you are right bro. Hang 'em out to dry. What they did is just as demeaning as some of Saddam's actions. A blatant disregard for human rights. I can tell you for a certainty that the EPWs we handled were NEVER treated this way and if they had been, the wrath of God would come down from a higher level. Sometimes there are young thugs in the Marines too (not to just pick on Army) who didn't understand this concept of human rights or the guidelines of the Geneva Conventions and I can assure you that as far as I was involved we maintained all diplomacy. It earned us the respect of the cities we were in and made us able to negotiate at the benefit of the locals and that's all we are trying to do.
Doc Newton
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he only feels disgust when its caught on tape...
by Country Girl ini hate this.
but god only knows what is going on with the folks caught in guantanemo bay.
this is so disgusting, abusive, and traitorous.
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40 oz...
Your anger is understandable, but don't make sweeping generalizations...it be the same as saying all black people are stupid natives that beloing around the campfire
Doc Newton
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I'm new here...
by sniperdoc inhello to all on this website.
a brief intro...i am 30, was df'd at 26 (on my b-day no less) should have been df'd a long time ago.
i have no complaints about being out of the organization now, however the initial shock going through the loss of friends and family took some time to get over.
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Copsec...
While I can't say that I totally agree with why the man in charge sent us over there, I can tell you beyond a reasonable doubt that going to Iraq was a good thing. You don't see the people running after us and thanking us for what was done. You don't see all the wonderful people we met while there. All you see is the fact that more people are dying because of a handful of thug assholes decide that it makes sense to blow up their own people so as to influence world opinion. I rememeber when one of the generals was talking to us and said something to the effect of " If I knew I was going to spend so much of my career in this hellhole (speaking of the middle east) I would have retired years ago. It is a fanatical fundemental religion not far off from the JWs and other nuts in our world. It totally convinced me that relligion is a load of bullshit and we would be better off without it. There is nothing beneficial to be gained by proving that you are right because the only thing that yields is that everyone else is wrong and that just pisse most people off. I could tell you so much about what I saw and experienced over there and it amounts to an infinite more than any books youcan read based on theory and well constructed arguments. I've been in the shit and have lived with the local population. Do that and then we'll argue (NOT YOU COPSEC).
Doc Newton
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I'm new here...
by sniperdoc inhello to all on this website.
a brief intro...i am 30, was df'd at 26 (on my b-day no less) should have been df'd a long time ago.
i have no complaints about being out of the organization now, however the initial shock going through the loss of friends and family took some time to get over.
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Copsec...
If anyone decides to get riled with me, I know plenty of Snipers...
The same ones that are causing the insurgents in Falujah to not negotiate because they are too afraid of the Marine Snipers...Chicken %^&*s
Doc Newton
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I'm new here...
by sniperdoc inhello to all on this website.
a brief intro...i am 30, was df'd at 26 (on my b-day no less) should have been df'd a long time ago.
i have no complaints about being out of the organization now, however the initial shock going through the loss of friends and family took some time to get over.
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Copsec...
"Caring", yes"..."brave", you do what you have to, people are more capable of things than they realize...."intelligent", thank you....it's nice to be out of an organization and receive this sort of feedback for having your (heaven forbid) opinion...
Doc Newton
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he only feels disgust when its caught on tape...
by Country Girl ini hate this.
but god only knows what is going on with the folks caught in guantanemo bay.
this is so disgusting, abusive, and traitorous.
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sniperdoc
Thank you copsec, you rule...
Doc Newton
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he only feels disgust when its caught on tape...
by Country Girl ini hate this.
but god only knows what is going on with the folks caught in guantanemo bay.
this is so disgusting, abusive, and traitorous.
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PS
My spelling sucks, sorry...
That's what I get for not proofreading my comments...
Doc Newton
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he only feels disgust when its caught on tape...
by Country Girl ini hate this.
but god only knows what is going on with the folks caught in guantanemo bay.
this is so disgusting, abusive, and traitorous.
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CG-
As someone who personally was in Iraq and handled Enemy Prisoners of War (EPWs) I have to tell you that I believe Bush when he says what he does and that it's not just sttrictly a political maneuver. I don;t know that i trust Bush in *why* went to Iraq in the first place but that doesn't matter. Let me assure you that this is an extreme case being played out by the media. First off, I am with the Marines and this is Army, so make it perfectly clear who is at fault here. we had countless occurences of the Army's lack of professionalism in tactical situations and their own personal life. The Marines have a reputaion for strict standards and it became obvious to me why when I was in Iraq. If that was a Marine who took those pictures I can assure you he would have had the ever living crap beaten out of him. We take great pride in our community.
I saw these pictures on the internet and was pissed off myself. These may have been the worst of the Ba'ath party but the 6 Articles of the Code of Conduct and all the other regulations implemented for times of combat were implemented for a reason. I believe in them and I believe thqat moset people intend to carry them through. Please do not blame Bush, while he may be guilty of other offenses, of this one. This is a rare case I can promise you that.
Doc Newton
1st Battalion/4th Marines, 1st Marine Division, Scout Snipers
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I'm new here...
by sniperdoc inhello to all on this website.
a brief intro...i am 30, was df'd at 26 (on my b-day no less) should have been df'd a long time ago.
i have no complaints about being out of the organization now, however the initial shock going through the loss of friends and family took some time to get over.
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Country girl...
I let one gender slip slide once. Everyone's allowed a @#$% up every now and then. :-)
Doc Newton