At June 24, the former editor of "Bergens Tidende", the main newspaper of Bergen, Norway, wrote an article about JW versus Nazi-Germany. Obviously, he has recently seen one of the videos from WTS about the issue. The article stated that JW was the only church that raised their voice in protest against the "Crystal Night" in 1938, when the nazis ravaged Jewish synagoges, shops and homes and sent thousands of Jews to consentration camps. I don't remember this beging claimed before. Is it correct?
Atreyu
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Need help: JW and Crystal Night 1938
by Atreyu inat june 24, the former editor of "bergens tidende", the main newspaper of bergen, norway, wrote an article about jw versus nazi-germany.
obviously, he has recently seen one of the videos from wts about the issue.
the article stated that jw was the only church that raised their voice in protest against the "crystal night" in 1938, when the nazis ravaged jewish synagoges, shops and homes and sent thousands of jews to consentration camps.
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Movie quotes - Guess and give
by SpiceItUp inok...simon with his guess the song lyrics inspired me to do one for movies..... you can post your fave movie quote and see if anyone can guess it.
no home movies or indie please (unless its really well-known).
plus if you want you can put what genre it is...... i have one to start us out:.
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Atreyu
Spice,
My easy one was from "Pulp Fiction", yes!
Jules actually says he quotes Ezekiel so and so, but you won't find that in any regular Bible. It resembles something in Ezekiel plus something in Psalm 23 (?). He was "quoting" this only because it was cool.
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Movie quotes - Guess and give
by SpiceItUp inok...simon with his guess the song lyrics inspired me to do one for movies..... you can post your fave movie quote and see if anyone can guess it.
no home movies or indie please (unless its really well-known).
plus if you want you can put what genre it is...... i have one to start us out:.
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Atreyu
Hmm. Swedish doesn't work here. Translitterated:
"Alt kan skje, alt er moejligt och sannolikt, Tid och rum existerer icke; Paa en obetydlig verklighetsgrunn spinner inbillningen ut och vaever nye moenster."
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Movie quotes - Guess and give
by SpiceItUp inok...simon with his guess the song lyrics inspired me to do one for movies..... you can post your fave movie quote and see if anyone can guess it.
no home movies or indie please (unless its really well-known).
plus if you want you can put what genre it is...... i have one to start us out:.
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Atreyu
Easy:
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee."
A bit harder: T: "You, uh, chopped your wife and daughters up into little bits. And then you blew your brains out." G: "That's strange, sir. I don't have any recollection of that at all."
Experts only:
"Alt kan skje, alt er mjligt och sannolikt, Tid och rum existerer icke; P en obetydlig verklighetsgrunn spinner inbillningen ut och vver nye mnster."
(Hint: The last quote is in Swedish)
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"They know we have the truth!"
by Atreyu ini remember a popular idea that often surfaced in informal discussions among the jws in my congregation, especially back in the 70ies:.
(this was in norway, and please remind that the evangelical-lutheran church is a national church and that ca 95% of population are members.).
"the priests know that we have the truth!".
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Atreyu
"Menighetsfakultetet" is the conservative one of the two theological seminars of Oslo, Norway. I'd call them fundie-light, indeed. But they are scolarly serious and honest. So I still doubt OldHippie's observations.
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THANK GOD THE PRESS NEVER GOT HOLD OF IT!
by bay64me ini used to pioneer with a lady that was in her fifty's, brought up in the 'truth' and one of her boasts was that through the efforts of her mother, over a hundred people had been brought in.
over a period of time she revealed many things that had gone on within the organisation one of them being a case of sexual abuse by a special pioneer that had been sent to the area.
his victims were the young boys of a lady that was kind enough to give him a room to stay.
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Atreyu
hawkaw,
Try this link to "Bergensavisen": http://www.ba.no/50/03/44/2.html for the story about the Norwegian JW who drugged and misused his 9-11 year old stepdaughter. The page also have links to earlier articles on the same case. It's all in Norwegian.
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"They know we have the truth!"
by Atreyu ini remember a popular idea that often surfaced in informal discussions among the jws in my congregation, especially back in the 70ies:.
(this was in norway, and please remind that the evangelical-lutheran church is a national church and that ca 95% of population are members.).
"the priests know that we have the truth!".
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Atreyu
OldHippie said:
For example, in the Lutheran theological seminar, they are taught that the eternal future for mankind according to the Bible is on Earth and not in heaven.
I doubt that. At least it is not mainstream, but may apply for some fundie-light seminars. Most of the NT speaks about a heavenly hope for all the believers, except for a few words of Jesus ("happy are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth") and the concluding chapters of Revelation. In GT we find many references to an earthly hope, but what most of us are not aware if is this fact:
When GT (and NT) was written, they didn't have the concept of the Earth as we have, a finite globe among other planets. The Hebrew word for "earth" should rather be translated as "land", not meaning a coutry or nation as a political entity, but referring to the physical ground, soil, earth or land below our feet. They had no precise concept of the boundaries of the whole world, the planet that we today call "the Earth".
This means that the GT promises about inheriting the "earth" referred to the Land of the Fathers, Israel, the domain of God's People - not the whole planet. Also, the promise was about the nation and tribes inheriting this land for ever, not the individual beings.
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"They know we have the truth!"
by Atreyu ini remember a popular idea that often surfaced in informal discussions among the jws in my congregation, especially back in the 70ies:.
(this was in norway, and please remind that the evangelical-lutheran church is a national church and that ca 95% of population are members.).
"the priests know that we have the truth!".
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Atreyu
gumby,
Funny quote! This is very much like what was said in Watchtower April 1st this year, just the other way around (my translation from Norwegian):
"If Jehovah's organization purposely promotes false doctrines, it would never had advised Jehovah's Witnesses, and those they preach for, to read the Bible."
Seems like they have indoctrinated their believers to think that religous leaders "purposely promotes false doctrines", and consequently they have to deny that this applies for themselves.
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"They know we have the truth!"
by Atreyu ini remember a popular idea that often surfaced in informal discussions among the jws in my congregation, especially back in the 70ies:.
(this was in norway, and please remind that the evangelical-lutheran church is a national church and that ca 95% of population are members.).
"the priests know that we have the truth!".
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Atreyu
I remember a popular idea that often surfaced in informal discussions among the JWs in my congregation, especially back in the 70ies:
(This was in Norway, and please remind that the Evangelical-Lutheran church is a national church and that ca 95% of population are members.)
"The priests know that we have the truth!"
Let me explain: Long time JWs really and sincerely believed that the clergy, the priests of the national church, really knew for sure that JW posessed "the truth", but would never admit it. So, this was kind of a conspiracy theory. These JWs believed that the priests had studied the Bible thoroughly, and definitely must have had come to the same conclusions as themselves.
Personally, I could never second that idea, but I dared not to argue with mature brothers and sisters, far older than myself.
I can not recall that The Watchtower magazine ever said something like this, so I believe it was more an unofficial belief.
Can any of you shed light on this?
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THANK GOD THE PRESS NEVER GOT HOLD OF IT!
by bay64me ini used to pioneer with a lady that was in her fifty's, brought up in the 'truth' and one of her boasts was that through the efforts of her mother, over a hundred people had been brought in.
over a period of time she revealed many things that had gone on within the organisation one of them being a case of sexual abuse by a special pioneer that had been sent to the area.
his victims were the young boys of a lady that was kind enough to give him a room to stay.
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Atreyu
I had a similar experience:
Last year, a JW man in my city was sentenced to prison for misusing his wife's 10 year old daughter (from a previous marriage). The case was discovered by the family's neighbours, because the little girl flew from her home in the middle of the night, wearing just her panties. The case was a top story in the local newspapers.
A few months later, I met an old friend of mine. She was skiing with her family and that 10-year old girl, the victim of the molestation, was their guest. After the children had left us for the cabin, my old friend talked briefly about the tragedy. I was quite stunned when she concluded with these words: "Ohhh! This is sooo harmful for the Truth!" Not a single word about the injures on the little girl in her company.