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  "They know we have the truth!"

  by Atreyu in

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  i remember a popular idea that often surfaced in informal discussions among the jws in my congregation, especially back in the 70ies:.

  (this was in norway, and please remind that the evangelical-lutheran church is a national church and that ca 95% of population are members.).

  "the priests know that we have the truth!".

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  "Menighetsfakultetet" is the conservative one of the two theological seminars of Oslo, Norway. I'd call them fundie-light, indeed. But they are scolarly serious and honest. So I still doubt OldHippie's observations.
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  THANK GOD THE PRESS NEVER GOT HOLD OF IT!

  by bay64me in

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  i used to pioneer with a lady that was in her fifty's, brought up in the 'truth' and one of her boasts was that through the efforts of her mother, over a hundred people had been brought in.

  over a period of time she revealed many things that had gone on within the organisation one of them being a case of sexual abuse by a special pioneer that had been sent to the area.

  his victims were the young boys of a lady that was kind enough to give him a room to stay.

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  hawkaw,

  Try this link to "Bergensavisen": http://www.ba.no/50/03/44/2.html for the story about the Norwegian JW who drugged and misused his 9-11 year old stepdaughter. The page also have links to earlier articles on the same case. It's all in Norwegian.
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  "They know we have the truth!"

  by Atreyu in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i remember a popular idea that often surfaced in informal discussions among the jws in my congregation, especially back in the 70ies:.

  (this was in norway, and please remind that the evangelical-lutheran church is a national church and that ca 95% of population are members.).

  "the priests know that we have the truth!".

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  OldHippie said:
  

  For example, in the Lutheran theological seminar, they are taught that the eternal future for mankind according to the Bible is on Earth and not in heaven.

  I doubt that. At least it is not mainstream, but may apply for some fundie-light seminars. Most of the NT speaks about a heavenly hope for all the believers, except for a few words of Jesus ("happy are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth") and the concluding chapters of Revelation. In GT we find many references to an earthly hope, but what most of us are not aware if is this fact:

  When GT (and NT) was written, they didn't have the concept of the Earth as we have, a finite globe among other planets. The Hebrew word for "earth" should rather be translated as "land", not meaning a coutry or nation as a political entity, but referring to the physical ground, soil, earth or land below our feet. They had no precise concept of the boundaries of the whole world, the planet that we today call "the Earth".

  This means that the GT promises about inheriting the "earth" referred to the Land of the Fathers, Israel, the domain of God's People - not the whole planet. Also, the promise was about the nation and tribes inheriting this land for ever, not the individual beings.
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  "They know we have the truth!"

  by Atreyu in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i remember a popular idea that often surfaced in informal discussions among the jws in my congregation, especially back in the 70ies:.

  (this was in norway, and please remind that the evangelical-lutheran church is a national church and that ca 95% of population are members.).

  "the priests know that we have the truth!".

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  gumby,

  Funny quote! This is very much like what was said in Watchtower April 1st this year, just the other way around (my translation from Norwegian):

  "If Jehovah's organization purposely promotes false doctrines, it would never had advised Jehovah's Witnesses, and those they preach for, to read the Bible."

  Seems like they have indoctrinated their believers to think that religous leaders "purposely promotes false doctrines", and consequently they have to deny that this applies for themselves.
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  "They know we have the truth!"

  by Atreyu in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i remember a popular idea that often surfaced in informal discussions among the jws in my congregation, especially back in the 70ies:.

  (this was in norway, and please remind that the evangelical-lutheran church is a national church and that ca 95% of population are members.).

  "the priests know that we have the truth!".

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  I remember a popular idea that often surfaced in informal discussions among the JWs in my congregation, especially back in the 70ies:

  (This was in Norway, and please remind that the Evangelical-Lutheran church is a national church and that ca 95% of population are members.)

  "The priests know that we have the truth!"

  Let me explain: Long time JWs really and sincerely believed that the clergy, the priests of the national church, really knew for sure that JW posessed "the truth", but would never admit it. So, this was kind of a conspiracy theory. These JWs believed that the priests had studied the Bible thoroughly, and definitely must have had come to the same conclusions as themselves.

  Personally, I could never second that idea, but I dared not to argue with mature brothers and sisters, far older than myself.

  I can not recall that The Watchtower magazine ever said something like this, so I believe it was more an unofficial belief.

  Can any of you shed light on this?
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  THANK GOD THE PRESS NEVER GOT HOLD OF IT!

  by bay64me in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i used to pioneer with a lady that was in her fifty's, brought up in the 'truth' and one of her boasts was that through the efforts of her mother, over a hundred people had been brought in.

  over a period of time she revealed many things that had gone on within the organisation one of them being a case of sexual abuse by a special pioneer that had been sent to the area.

  his victims were the young boys of a lady that was kind enough to give him a room to stay.

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  I had a similar experience:

  Last year, a JW man in my city was sentenced to prison for misusing his wife's 10 year old daughter (from a previous marriage). The case was discovered by the family's neighbours, because the little girl flew from her home in the middle of the night, wearing just her panties. The case was a top story in the local newspapers.

  A few months later, I met an old friend of mine. She was skiing with her family and that 10-year old girl, the victim of the molestation, was their guest. After the children had left us for the cabin, my old friend talked briefly about the tragedy. I was quite stunned when she concluded with these words: "Ohhh! This is sooo harmful for the Truth!" Not a single word about the injures on the little girl in her company.
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  Soviet -> Norway -> UK -> Argentina

  by Atreyu in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  ok, off topic, but i'm disgusted.. tonight, a norwegian tv documentary unveiled that during the argentinian/uk war in 1982 over las islas malvinas (the falkland islands) norwegian military intellingence tapped soviet surveillance satellites which monitored the movements of argentinian naval vessels.

  this information was *probably* handed over to the uk government and led to the sinking of the argentinian naval vessel "el crucero general belgrano".

  323 out of at staff of 1093 died.

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  OK, off topic, but I'm disgusted.

  Tonight, a Norwegian TV documentary unveiled that during the Argentinian/UK war in 1982 over Las Islas Malvinas (The Falkland Islands) Norwegian military intellingence tapped Soviet surveillance satellites which monitored the movements of Argentinian naval vessels. This information was *probably* handed over to the UK government and led to the sinking of the Argentinian naval vessel "El crucero General Belgrano". 323 out of at staff of 1093 died. ( http://www.cibernautica.com.ar/gralbelgrano/crucero.htm )

  And, still, they call it the Norwegian Defence!
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  What do you believe in after "The Truth&qu...

  by Atreyu in

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  2. experiences

  an invitation:.

  i would like to see a short description of your personal beliefs or religion today, after you lost faith in "the truth", from anyone here that feels for it.

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  I regret that I invited to this just when Star Wars II is realesed ...
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  What do you believe in after "The Truth&qu...

  by Atreyu in

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  2. experiences

  an invitation:.

  i would like to see a short description of your personal beliefs or religion today, after you lost faith in "the truth", from anyone here that feels for it.

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  An invitation:

  I would like to see a short description of your personal beliefs or religion today, after you lost faith in "The Truth", from anyone here that feels for it.
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  Norwegians: Stick With What You Are Good At.

  by Englishman in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  im totally bewildered that norm, kent and jan appear to have distanced themselves from this site, particularly in view of the many excellent articles that have been written by this trio.. this was norms latest post on kents discussion forum, it sat on site for almost a day before anyone responded:.

  the us whore .

  these days bush is visited in texas by one of the worlds most oppressive and despotic rulers in history, the saudi-arabian ruler.

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  Prisca:
  Who's that "fearless leader" and where's his discussion board?