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  After 5 years, a letter...Beware the Voice of Strangers

  by Bubbamar in

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  after 3 attempts, i finally have a letter that i might actually mail to my mom.

  i think it's funny that she will get my letter at the same time she is studying the "beware" wt article.

  think she'll make something of it??.

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  Bubbamar

  Thanks everyone for your loving responses. My girlfriend also told me to be prepared for the worst. I said, "how do I do that - stab myself in the eyeballs so I'll have something worse to think about?!" Hahaha
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  Challenge for the JWs --- mwahahaha!

  by ESTEE in

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  2. beliefs

  i have a cousin who challenged the jws.

  her conversation went something like this:.

  "knock knock".

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  Bubbamar

  As I was reading your post I thought it was going to be a hypothetical scenario. But it was real....I love it!!!! I know if that would have happened to me I would not have been able to field the questions. Sadly, it would not have made me think anything except how they "just don't understand."
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  my last contact with my mom

  by doogie in

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  i wrote an email to my mom last friday.

  it didn?t go so hot.

  my girlfriend had sent her a pretty harsh letter criticizing my family sharing her opinion about the religion about 2 weeks ago and she had never gotten a response (which kind of surprised me, actually.

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  Bubbamar

  Great advice from Double edge!

  I wonder if she'd consider a trade - 3 months of meetings for 3 months of therapy?? I'd love to offer that to my mom. I'm sure they see therapy as evil too. You have to use your own brain for 50 min.

  Hang in there - I've broken down and cried a bunch lately myself. But I know from past experience...."this too shall pass."

  (((((((((((((((Hugs)))))))))))))))))))))))))
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  Who Is God?

  by Den in

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  god is life (john 5:26).

  god is truth (john 17:3).

  god is eternal (psalms 90:2).

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  Bubbamar

  Welcome Den

  I didn't read your long post because I'm a lazy apostate.

  But Welcome to JWD!!!
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  After 5 years, a letter...Beware the Voice of Strangers

  by Bubbamar in

  1. social
  2. family

  after 3 attempts, i finally have a letter that i might actually mail to my mom.

  i think it's funny that she will get my letter at the same time she is studying the "beware" wt article.

  think she'll make something of it??.

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  Bubbamar

  After 3 attempts, I finally have a letter that I might actually mail to my mom. I think it's funny that she will get my letter at the same time she is studying the "Beware" WT article. Think she'll make something of it??

  Anyway here's the letter. I'd love some feedback. The first two were very angry. Then I read Steven Hassan's book and re-worked it to be more gentle and loving.

  Some background is that after my dad and both grandmother's died - all within 2 weeks of each other (1996) - my mom left for missionary work in Equador. I called her crying right after she got there because I had a nightmare that she had died too. For the next 2 years I did not hear from her at all. It was during that time that I completely let her go and its only now that I feel moved to try again. Then, after 2 years, she sent me a letter attempting an apology but basically blaming her absence on the fact that she figured out that I am gay and proceeded with the JW script on that topic. I never responded to that letter.

  Dear Mother,

  It's been so long since we've communicated I'm not even sure where to begin. You've been on my mind almost constantly lately and I feel compelled to write. I worry that our time is short and this is how our story will end. You're my mother and I do not want our story to end this way.

  I did not respond to your last letters because I simply could not stand the pain of rejection and loss anymore. When Daddy, Grandma Beth and Grandma Georgia all died I was completely devastated. I think you knew that when I called you in Equador. I waited fro you to call - to check on me - to care. I even had fantasies that you would invite me to visit you in Equador. I longed for the comfort of my mother. In time, I realized it was not going to happen and I accepted it and protected myself by closing the door to you. Time has allowed me to heal and to grow in acceptance.

  The process of acceptance though was that I had lost both of my parents. There are so many things that I wanted to share with you and wanted you to be a part of. I've grown and changed over the years and as much disappointment I know you've felt over me - I wanted you to be proud of who I have become. I know you always wanted me to know that you were only doing what Jehovah wanted you to do in avoiding me. I don't believe he wants this for us and it is a daily challenge to accept that you do believe that I am so vile and sinful that you should not associate with me. I made some very bad choices when I was younger and I suffered greatly for my choices. It seems a harsh punishment for us both to suffer an 18 year severed relationship for the choices I made as a very sick 18 year old.

  I remember a time when you and I were very close. I can remember so many fun times with you. I miss that and I miss you. In writing this letter to you I am choosing to turn my cheek to you rather than my back.

  *** Then I go on to share some family information that she does not know - mostly about my sister's kids who she's never met and invite her to write back****

  Thanks for any feedback. What scriptures do you guys think I should anticipate?
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  Bible not for the individual

  by TowerWatch in

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  2. bible

  anyone remember the publication where the watchtower bible and tract society stated that the bible was not written for the individual but for god?s people as a group, something like that.

  it was an older watchtower i think.. thank you,.

  towerwatch.

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  Bubbamar

  *** w81 2/15 p. 17 Do We Need Help to Understand the Bible? ***

  From such experiences it can be seen that Jehovah God caused the Bible to be written in such a way that one needs to come in touch with His human channel before one can fully and accurately understand it. True, we need the help of God's holy spirit, but its help also comes to us primarily by association with the channel Jehovah God sees fit to use.-1 Cor. 2:6-10.channel before one can fully and accurately understand it. True, we need the help of God's holy spirit, but its help also comes to us primarily by association with the channel Jehovah God sees fit to use.-1 Cor. 2:6-10.

  Creepy yes. Blasphemous too. I can't believe they can get away with minimizing the Holy Spirit and putting the WT as the PRIMARY method god uses to help people with his word. So before the WT was ever published then what??
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  New to forum

  by ast370 in

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  2. friends

  i'm new to this forum, i find it very informative.

  my wife and i grew up as jw's.

  i got disfellowshiped sixteen years ago [one of the best things that ever happened to me] and my wife left at the same time.

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  Bubbamar

  Welcome to JWD!!!!

  I have been out for 18 years and I still have "issues" about my mom's continual rejection and shunning of me. It's so nice to have this forum where people understand that and have compassion. (note sarcasm) Really though, this place has helped me so much with information, validation and support. Keep reading!!
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  How To Know If You're in a Cult!

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you don't need to read a book or consult a psychological expert.

  it's all very simple.. ask yourself: if i refer to this group as a "cult", could i be excommunicated or disfellowshipped or expelled?.

  have the leaders of this group instructed me not to refer to it as a "cult"?.

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  Min - I see what you're saying. Nobody would like it if someone in their group were talking bad about the group. But I think if a Baptist or Catholic were to go around saying that their religion is a cult the priest or preacher would just shake their head and roll their eyes at the poor confused fellow. There would be no reprimand or action taken. If a JW were to say at a KH that the JW's are a cult -- I assure you there would be a meeting in the little room in the back of the hall.
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  ...not so much as eat with such a person...

  by Tashawaa in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  matthew 5:

  anyone who is angry with his brother without having a good reason will be judged in court.

  anyone who says wrong things to his brother will be judged for it in the big court.

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  Bubbamar

  My JW mom will NEVER get DF'ed for eating with me. Even when I was living at home at age 18 she would not eat with me. She would take her plate to the living room to avoid eating at the table with me. That is so christlike. I'm sure when she meets Jesus he will say "Good job Kriste! Excellent job of shunning your daughter!"

  UUGGGGHHHHH!
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  Shocking picture!!! JCanon identity revealed!!!!

  by joenobody in

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  just kidding jcanon... i'm pretty sure you aren't that buff (yet) and don't have dreads (yet).

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  Bubbamar

  You really shouldn't pick on the messiah.

  Hahaha

  You guys crack me up!!!!!!!