in the waterbury conneticut area there was a circut overseer named caramelous (greek name not sure of spelling).
this brother more than 30 years back was having all the congregation servants removed because they where over weight.
i guess they used not moderate in habits (eating too much) as a scriptural reason.
Hehehe When I was being drilled before my baptism (at age 13) and they allowed me to ask any final questions - my question was this: "If people can be DF'ed for smoking - because it's bad for your body - why aren't people DF'ed for being fat - that's bad for your body too?"
They just lauged at me. I should have ran for the door then.
hey i'm in albuquerque nm on buisness until thusday and was wondering if any x-jws were in the area and would like to meet up.
i'm getting freakin' bored here!
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I wish I could come hang out with you in ABQ!! I love it there! And Santa Fe is so cool! Have fun!!!
i was raised jw.. and for all my bitterness toward the wtbs i had great parents.
over the weekend i was thinking about questions i'd ask them as a child.. .
q " people that go to churches believe in god with their whole heart.. are they gonna die in armageddon?
You must have been a pretty smart kid!!! Those are some great questions.
I can remember asking my mom about 1975. All I remember her saying is "they (GB) didn't say it!"
I also remember asking something about how Noah got ALL the animals from all over the planet to the ark. She said Jehovah can do anything.
bit of background.
i grew up as a jw i left the church when i was 14 because a ministerial servant who was conducting a one on one baptism study with me said that i couldn't ballance my dreams of being a professional singer with the so called "truth".
i stopped the study and told my mom i no longer wanted to be a witness.
I was absolutely apalled. I mean, I always knew that things w/ the JW's weren't right. But I didn't know they could easily be proven so wrong.....so deceptive and devious. It just didn't make sense. It was like not only finding out that the world was round --- but also finding out that 'they' knew all along that it wasn't flat.
But the real kicker is that my mom has destroyed and shunned her whole family - and can't be bothered to do a little checking first. Now THAT PISSES ME OFF !!
many of you know that since i am d/a, i have'nt spoken to my jw dad in about 3 years.
well, he is trying to make contact with me, he and my sister had lunch the other day.
he said he has been trying to get in touch with us for about 6 months.
Hey Dede
I contacted my mom after 8 years of totally shunning her for years of painful rejection/shunning from her. I had finally had enough. Its been a few months since I got back in touch with her - and it has been okay. It has been very important for me to set boundaries - No guilt trips, no shame, no condemnation, no lying. If she talks JW she will get anti-JW right back. And we ONLY do email and letters. I haven't even given her my phone number. Its just so much harder to keep boundaries and not get sucked in to a negative discussion on the phone. If she can behave for several months - I would consider letting her call me. That's just my experience.
Have you read Releasing the Bonds? Hassan gives some good pointers. One thing he says is that as long as they are alive there is hope.
Your mental health and peace of mind should be #1 IMO. Do whatever YOU feel is right for YOU. Not what you think you 'should' do for him.
Good luck to you!! I know it really sucks sometimes.
hello, my name's daniel and i'm new to the forum.... i was raised a witness for the first 14 years of my life and then finally got out when my dad turned atheist...i live in ottawa, ontario of canada... i'm 21 now... still kind of unaccustomed to the world at large, if you catch my drift.
my msn is [email protected] if anyone wants to chat.
nice meeting you all
Yeah! Any interest in sharing your powerpoint presentation with us???
hello, my name's daniel and i'm new to the forum.... i was raised a witness for the first 14 years of my life and then finally got out when my dad turned atheist...i live in ottawa, ontario of canada... i'm 21 now... still kind of unaccustomed to the world at large, if you catch my drift.
my msn is [email protected] if anyone wants to chat.
nice meeting you all
Wecome to the board Daniel and figureitout!!!
Yes, I was raised in the "truth." I was DF'ed when I was 18 (19 years ago). I knew that I would never return - but didn't really know all the flaws in the cult. I often had the feeling "what if they're right?" Then, just this summer, I read Crisis of Conscience by Ray Franz and started reading stuff on the internet. Boy were my eyes opened! This discussion board has been a lifesaver in dealing with the new reality. For the first time in my life I have support from other people who know EXACTLY what I'm talking about! That means a lot to me.
Figureitout:
but still live with the fear that I am going to die if not a witness
I can relate to that. I also read Realeasing the Bonds by Steven Hassan. He says this is called a phobia - instilled by the JW cult. All cults do it. So you are SUPPOSED to be having that fear as you consider leaving. It's part of what keeps people from leaving. I don't know if they do it on purpose - but nevertheless - it's a very effective part of mind control. Good luck to you in sorting this all out and finding true freedom for yourself.
in genisis 11:6 jehovah appears to be worried that mankind will be able to do anything they desire.
did jehovah scatter men and use different languages as a controlling measure to make us dependent on him?
what happened to freewill?
Myelaine
Is the story a "fore-glimmer" of a type of people? Is it prophectic?
This sounds like standard JW rhetoric. EVEYTHING in the Bible is a prophesy to be fulfilled in the 21st century through a book and magazine publishing company based in New York city. Where do you get the idea that the story was actually told and meant to be a prophesy? If it is a prophesy, could it have already been fulfilled? Could it be fulfilled in the year 3007? Or were you just poking fun that the Witlesses yourself? From the posts that I have read of yours - and I am glad you post here - it sounds like part of you is still stuck in the JW mindset - which is a dangerous place to be, IMO. I hope you will continue to explore things for yourself and come up with your own beliefs. Afterall, didn't Jesus say the Holy Spirit would "teach us all things"? He didn't mention the WTBTS.
Frannie - that was an awesome post....I'll be pondering it all day!
If I believed that the Bible is what it claims to be - I'd have to believe that God is MEAN and a bit confused. My spiritual experiences tell me that is far from true. So, no - I don't believe it. It might have useful parts though. Just as the Koran and other books have useful parts.
The NWT is definitely a bastardized version that the mean bible gd will be very angry about!
for as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that noah entered into the ark; and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away?
note that jesus said nothing about noah doing any preaching or doing any warning to others about the coming flood.
?evidence?
I get your point Farkle - and it's an excellent point. I guess if they didn't extrapolate from scriptures they would run out of things to write in their WT magazines.
My mom told me that after Adam ate of the fruit, Jehovah NEVER spoke to him again. I sent her a copy of the actual scriptures and challenged her. I say - Jehovah made leather garments for them - sounds kind of nice to me. Where does she get the idea the God quit speaking to adam. Pure JW extrapolation - to justify their evil DF doctine.
Sorry - I'm off topic a bit. It just really gets me - they really believe all that crap - crap that's nowhere to be found in the Bible -- without of course a series of twisted mental gymnastics.
