Spinning the Noah Story WT Style

by Farkel 39 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    When it comes to putting spin on ?Bible verses? that don?t exist, the Watchtower Making-Up-Shit Corporation has no peers. The WT ?spin? on the Noah story had us all convinced that Noah not only had to build this huge ark, he was obligated to warn people about the upcoming deluge. These warnings by Noah would give people the chance to ?repent? of whatever they needed to repent about and then hop on the ark and float to safety.

    Most of us are aware it has become the norm of the WTS to promote itself as a GREATER ?fulfillment? or ?type? and thus more significant and more IMPORTANT than any prophet or symbol mentioned in the Bible. For example, they have promoted themselves as the ?antitypical ark? of safety, and the only place to be in order to become saved when God goes on yet another of his and greatest of his genocidal binges. This genocidal binge is, of course, going to happen ?real soon now.? When dubbies pray for their blessed New Paradise Earth?, they are (like it or not) also praying for this concurrent global genocide at the hands of the Hitler God they worship.

    What evidence do we have that Noah was asked by God to try to deliver the people around him from the global deluge? What evidence do we have that the WTS claim of being an ?antitypical? ark of refuge available to all right-hearted humans actually typifies in a greater sense the Noachian story?

    Well, we have ?Watchtower Evidence?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    w99 8/15 17 Living by Faith in God's Promises *** 14 Then there were the social conditions. Wickedness abounded. The mighty Nephilim?the hybrid offspring of wicked angels and women?filled the earth with violence. (Genesis 6:1-4, 13) Furthermore, ark building would not be a project that could be carried out in secret. People would wonder what Noah was doing, and he would tell them. (2 Peter 2:5) Could they be expected to approve? Hardly! Some years earlier, faithful Enoch had proclaimed the destruction of the wicked. So unpopular was his message that God ?took him,? or cut his life short, evidently to prevent him from being slain by His enemies. (Genesis 5:24; Hebrews 11:5; Jude 14, 15) Not only was Noah to proclaim a similarly unpopular message but he was also to build an ark. As that ark was being constructed, it would serve as a powerful reminder of Noah?s faithfulness in the face of wicked contemporaries!

    *** km 11/75 1 The Door Is Still Open! *** At our recent district assemblies one of the dramas reminded us that, in the days of Noah, Jehovah made it very clear when the opportunity for others to gain salvation in the ark had ended. It was not Noah who shut the door.

    *** jv 14 1 Why Should Jehovah Have Witnesses? *** In contrast, ?Noah was a righteous man,? one who ?proved himself faultless among his contemporaries.? (Gen. 6:9) He demonstrated his submission to God?s sovereignty by doing ?just as God commanded.? (Gen. 6:22) Acting in faith, he ?constructed an ark for the saving of his household.? (Heb. 11:7) But Noah was more than a builder; as ?a preacher [or herald] of righteousness,? he warned of the coming destruction. (2 Pet. 2:5) Despite Noah?s bold witnessing, however, that wicked generation ?took no note until the flood came and swept them all away.??Matt. 24:37-39.

    We can see from these WTS quotes that they clearly are promoting that Noah preached to the wicked people around him, giving them a chance at salvation on the earth. Several scriptures are quoted as ?evidence? (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!) so let?s look at them to see if they support what is claimed.

    ? But Noah was more than a builder; as ?a preacher [or herald] of righteousness,? he warned of the coming destruction. (2 Pet. 2:5)?

    2 Pet. 2:5: ??and he did not hold back from punishing an ancient world, but kept Noah, a preacher of righteousness, safe with seven others when he brought a deluge upon a world of ungodly people;?

    Note that this verse used by the WTS did NOT say that Noah ?warned of? ANY coming destruction, merely that Noah was a preacher of righteousness. (One has to wonder WHY the WTS considers ANY righteous preaching, also the preaching of coming murder and mayhem even when the Bible doesn?t say that.) The WTS simple made up the bit about Noah doing any ?warning of the coming destruction.? Then again, they make up lots of shit.

    The WTS also presents the words of Jesus himself:

    Matt 24:37-39: ?For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away??

    Note that Jesus said NOTHING about Noah doing any preaching or doing any warning to others about the coming flood. So the only Bible-Based? ?evidence? (HAHAHAHAHAHA!) the WTS offers to ?prove? their claim that Noah preached in order to help the people living in his time gain safety from the flood was in 2 Pet. 2:5 which merely stated that Noah was a preacher of righteousness.

    It?s also strange to note what horrible things Jesus said the wordlings did in Noah?s day: They married. They ate. They drank. Noah married. Noah ate. Noah drank. Noah drank and wandered around naked when he drank. Just about everyone, including the most righteous of people marry, eat and often drink. It?s just that the most righteous of people don?t wander around exposing their nakedness when they drink like Noah did. Yet, somehow according to Jesus, these people were simply terrible people for marrying and eating and drinking and not ?taking note? until God made them toast.

    ?Take note? of WHAT? Some crazy man wandering around drunk and naked and building a boat to survive a huge rain when no one had ever seen any rain? How could these people be held accountable for not following after a nutball like that? Even if Noah DID preach (and we shall soon see he didn?t do that at all), what would you think if some naked drunk guy knocked on your door and said, ?it?s gonna rain like hell, so you?d better quit marrying, eating and drinking and help me finish this boat.? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Did God REALLY give anyone in that day a chance to repent of whatever is was they needed to repent over by using Noah to tell them that whatever they were doing was wrong? Let us let the Bible itself tells us. And this time I MEAN it when I say I?m giving Bible-Based? proof:

    ?And the earth came to be ruined in the sight of the [true] God and the earth became filled with violence.? (Too much marrying, eating and drinking, I guess.) ?So God saw the earth and look! It was ruined, because all flesh had ruined its way on the earth.? (The earth was ruined because it was ruined.) ?After that God said to Noah: ?The end of all flesh has come before me, because the earth is full of violence as a result of them; and here I am brining them to ruin together with the earth.? ? Gen 6:11-13

    ?And as for me, here I am bringing the deluge of waters upon the earth to bring to ruin all flesh in which the force of life is active from under the heavens.? (Note that God is saying he is only going to kill creatures that are alive. He won?t harm any dead creatures or rocks! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA) ?Everything that is in the earth will expire.? (Except fish. What about the fish, God? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!) - Gen 6:17

    So there you have it. Did God tell Noah to try to save any of those poor souls? NO! Did God think there was even a smidgeon of hope for those poor souls? NO!

    The ark wasn?t even able to accommodate the needs of the animals and a mere 8 people for an entire year, let alone dozens of more people who might have wanted to get on board. The ark would have sunk from all the extra weight, or everyone would have starved to death because of the all the extra year required for the voyage.

    So, it turns out that there is SOME truth to the WTS analogy about themselves also being an ?antitypical ark.? If you get on board with them, you?ll sink. Or you?ll starve to death. Take your pick.

    Or, you could just get married. Don?t forget to eat, too. Give a daughter or son in marriage. And maybe drink, but only in moderation. Drunk, naked men look pretty stupid, you know. Ask Noah.

    Farkel

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    For some background on the NT stories regarding Noah, cf. Leolaia's posts on http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/67328/1.ashx

    Edited to add something similar to 2 Peter 2:5 in 1 Clement 7:5ff:

    Let us turn to every age that has passed, and learn that, from generation to generation, the Lord has granted a place of repentance to all who would be converted to Him. Noah preached repentance, and as many as listened to him were saved. Jonah proclaimed destruction to the Ninevites; but they, repenting of their sins, propitiated God by prayer, and obtained salvation, although they were aliens [to the covenant] of God.
    (just as another example of how the Noah story grew from Genesis to 2nd century Christianity, through Jewish midrash).
  • Farkel
    Farkel

    Narkissos,

    : Jonah proclaimed destruction to the Ninevites; but they, repenting of their sins, propitiated God by prayer, and obtained salvation, although they were aliens [to the covenant] of God.

    The irony of the Jonah story is that when God decided to spare the Ninevites, Jonah was PISSED! He was so pissed he wanted to die himself. Had he had his way, God would have killed them all.

    Jonah was a jerk, as well as a coward, and believe it or not, it's Bible-Based!

    Farkel

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    I'm not so sure Jonah is depicted as a coward, as he thus expresses his motives for not going to Nineveh:

    He prayed to the LORD and said, "O LORD! Is not this what I said while I was still in my own country? That is why I fled to Tarshish at the beginning; for I knew that you are a gracious God and merciful, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love, and ready to relent from punishing. And now, O LORD, please take my life from me, for it is better for me to die than to live."

    He was pissed all right, because he felt Yhwh had fooled him.

    The portrait of Yhwh in the book of Jonah is quite the opposite of his depiction in the Flood story -- except perhaps in its conclusion:

    And when the LORD smelled the pleasing odor, the LORD said in his heart, "I will never again curse the ground because of humankind, for the inclination of the human heart is evil from youth; nor will I ever again destroy every living creature as I have done.
    As long as the earth endures,
    seedtime and harvest, cold and heat,
    summer and winter, day and night,
    shall not cease."

    The conclusion of Jonah is one of the most all-embracing expression of divine compassion in the OT (it sounds almost buddhist):

    You are concerned about the bush, for which you did not labor and which you did not grow; it came into being in a night and perished in a night. And should I not be concerned about Nineveh, that great city, in which there are more than a hundred and twenty thousand persons who do not know their right hand from their left, and also many animals?

    Unfortunately what the WT has retained is not the Yhwh of Jonah or the conclusion of the Flood story. The "ark" typology is a far better symbol for mind control.

  • XQsThaiPoes
    XQsThaiPoes

    Um noah preached to no one and if he did Jehovah said only him and his family would live. He also sent an angle to make sure only 8 people were on the ark. So basically this is the most made up belief jws have, because Jehovah would have to be lying to noah for it to be true. Then again Noah is a made up story anyway so to each his own.

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    actually there are some great books on the Noachian Flood with great archeological evidence to show there was agreat flood in the Black Sea area but it WAS NOT GLOBAL - and the stories in many cultures developed from there - the Noah story is just one of them. I am really looking forward to a new book that is to be released shortly entitled I think simply "Gilgamesh"

  • Narkissos
  • XQsThaiPoes
    XQsThaiPoes

    Yeah there are large floods every place. The problem is Noah's story conflictthe bible canon in at least 2 places. So even if it was scientific evidence of the flood being global that means the rest of the bible is made up and the Noah story is true. All in all I don't think the Noah story was ment t be factual because that means the people writing it assummed it was in prehistory way before civilization because the cities they live in existed uninterupted when we claim the flood happend. Or like many tales that happen in an alternate ancient plane God really did destroy the first earth with water, and this is a second one.

    All in all the genesis is so badly writen it almost should be thrown out of canon, and just start at exodus, and thats with out pitting it against science or acheology.

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    XQs,

    : All in all I don't think the Noah story was ment t be factual because that means the people writing it assummed it was in prehistory way before civilization because the cities they live in existed uninterupted when we claim the flood happend. Or like many tales that happen in an alternate ancient plane God really did destroy the first earth with water, and this is a second one.

    The purpose of this thread is not whether the Noachian flood story is true or not. The purpose of this thread is to show that the WTS has falsely tried to show that the ark was a place of refuge for even wicked people in Noah's day who repented and that similarly, the WTS is the current place of refuge for all who seek safety from God's wrath. The Bible, as I've shown clearly does not support this argument, and in fact doesn't support that Noah even once tried to get people outside his family to repent and get on the ark.

    There are plenty of threads about the validity of the Noachian flood story, but that is not what this thread is about. It is about WT lies, deceptions, and red-herrings.

    Farkel

  • kwintestal
    kwintestal
    red-herrings

    Mmm. The food of the (WTS) Gods.

    Great post Farkel! Mind you, if you spread the fact that Noah didn't preach for 120 years prior to the flood, what would that say of the WTS 2034 theory?

    Someone just might be going ahead of the organization!!! Tisk! Tisk!

    You see, in 2035, when the end of the world doesn't come, the WTS is going to use the "new light" that in fact Noah didn't preach at all!

    There's a little bit of history-in-advance for ya!

    Kwin

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