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October 7, 2001 - A Date of "Infamy" ...
by MDS inoctober 7, 2001 -- a date of "infamy" for all jehovah's witnesses earthwide .
upcoming "events" & the "great tribulation" upon mystery "israel" -- jeremiah 30:7; matthew 24:21, 22; rev.
7:14. the bible makes a number of serious "predictions" about the future of mystery "israel," ... whom i propose to be jehovah's witnesses of our time.
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New NGO-Letter by German Branch
by GermanXJW instorch - a participant on the german board http://www.infolink-net.de/forum.htm wrote to the german branch.
he got the following reply.
and his local elders informed him without any reference to the letter that he is not to do talks in the tms at the moment.. the english translation is mine.
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I have been a witness for 30 years. I have always done research about many different matters. The WT says they had been using the library of the UN many years prior to 1991. I never knew about it. They registered as an NGO in 1991; I never knew about it. "There was nothing secret about it" How come I didn't know about it? The WT in all their years have always taught me to have nothing whatsoever to do with the "Scarlet-colored wild beast". Yet they themself use their library? And then they say that was the only reason they became involved with the UN? You don't have to register as an NGO to access the library, so there must be other reasons. Where is the trust in Jehovah. Obviously they are as the old Israelite Kings who trust on worldly powers instead of Jehovah. If they were judged by Jehovah then how much more will the WT be judged? The problem is how can we reach the innocent brothers and sisters, whom are being indoctrinated with words like "stick close to his organization" , "Do You Have än Obedient Heart?"". "Discuss in which way we can demonstrate obedience in working with the congregation." Or "Do you lack confidence in your ability to witness from house to house"?
Lack confidence in my ability? Who do these guys think they are? They join forces with the UN, create a scandal, and when brothers and sisters find it hard to go from house to house, it's their own fault. These WT leaders are really starting to get people angry."
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Dag Hammarskjöld Library
by Dogpatch ina response to an inquiry about gaining access to u.n. libraries:.
dear mr. brewer,.
in answer to your questions:.
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You guys are good. keep it coming. Did the WT leaders forget their own words: "There is nothing hidden that shall not be made public."? Forgetfull aren't they?
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Zev's UN/WTS Scandal Web Site
by hawkaw inzev's internet site is up and running at:.
( http://www.geocities.com/plowbitch69/.
zev's site will have a few more features added to it by next week.
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Keep up the good work.
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Now Is The Time to Expose the WTS
by metatron inwe have all been horrified and sickened by the recent report.
of a 12 year old girl being beaten to death.. i really wish the dateline story could be aired soon.
i hate.
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The Watchtower has to be exposed for exactly what they are.
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avengers
Very well done!
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Response from WT Dutch Branch Office
by avengers inbelow is the english translation of the answer the wt gave me.
the original answer is in dutch.
you can read it here.
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avengers
Below is the english translation of the answer the WT gave me. The original answer is in Dutch. You can read it here. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=15508&site=3
WACHTTOREN Postbank 183765
ING Bank 66.43.24.533
BIJBEL- EN TRAKTAATGENOOTSCHAPNOORDBARGERSTRAAT 77 7812 AA EMMEN NEDERLAND
TELEFOON (0591) 68 35 55SCA 8 november 2001
Mr. A. van Engers
Holtackers 42
7824 LB EmrnenBeloved brother Van Engers,
Your 5 November letter, with enclosure is in our possession. Because we could not make up out of your letter how we should address you in our answer, we have for the good order informed the elders of congregation Emmen-Angelslo to ask if they know you.
We have now understood that, though you are momentarily not actively connected to the local congregation, you are in fact a baptized Witness---therefore the above opening words.We don’t know if you may already have done inquiries in the congregation, about the in your letter named matter, and therefore we are sending the responsible elders a copy of our answer, so that they in any way are informed.
Your question came down to this if the Society during a certain period has been a member of the United Nations and how that can be viewed in the light of what has been published in our reading matter about that organization (for instance in chapter 34 of the Revelation-book). We would like to give the following reaction.
In De Wachttoren of October 1 1995 was on page 7 a paragraph titled "The Christian view on the United Nations". Inthere was said that Jehovah’s Witnesses view the UN just as they view other governments in the world, namely as a "superior authority".---Romans 13:1
There cannot be said "that the Society was a member of the UN". Though the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York has during a certain period been registerd at the UN as an NGO (‘non-governmental organization’). What formed for that the reason, and why is that now not anymore the case?
The purpose of being registered at named corporation with the ‘Department of Public Information’as a ‘non governmental organization’in 1991 was to have access to available research-material about health, ecology, and social problems at the library-facilities of the United Nations. The library was during many years before 1991 used, but in that year it became necessary to register as an NGO in order to continue the entry. The registrationpapers that were submitted to the United Nations and that the Society has in her archives, contain no declarations which are in conflict with our christian beliefs. On top of that are NGO’s informed that "association of NGO’s with the DPI doesn’t make that they are taken in to the system of the United Nations, nor does it
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Page 2give connected organizations or their staff any right or any sort of privilege or any exemption or special status".¹ Nevertheless contain the Criteria of Alliance of NGO’s ----at least in their latest version ---- terms which we cannot underwrite. When the Society realized this, the registration was immediately withdrawn. They were thankful that the matter was brought to their attention.
We trust it to have been of service to you with this information and send you our cordial greetings and wishes for Jehovah’s blessing,
your brothers,
Wachttoren B.&T.Genootschap
C: body of elders,
congregation Emmen-Angelso
______________________¹ The English version of this citation is: "Association of NGOs with the DPI does not constitute their
incorporation into the United Nations system, nor does it entitle associated organizations or their staff to any kind of privileges, immunities or special status~" -
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MAJOR UN NEWS / WATCHTOWER STATEMENT
by OhHappyDay ini've just finnished the translation of a letter sent to a single witness.. since not everyone knows where the big thread is, i also post it here.... (the original is available through kent or randy).
association of jehovas witnesses.
scc 2001 oct., 8th.
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"it is necessary that the Society is registered at the UN as a Human Rights Organization.This is the only way to help our brothers,"
The only way they can help our brothers is to engage into a relationship with the scarlet colored wild beast. How does Jehovah himself view this. I guess He couldn't be of ssistance?
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letter to WT branch office Netherlands.
by avengers inrecently i published a letter i sent to the wt branch office in the netherlands.
the letter was in the native language (dutch).
you can view it here > http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=15262&site=3 ------- i translated the letter into english.
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fools do exist. check the english translation.
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WT Netherlands response (english translation)
by avengers inbelow is the english translation of the wt response (which is in dutch).
i have tried to translate as accurate as possible.
if anyone thinks that the translation is not accurate enough, please send me an e-mail.. excerpt.
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Below is the english translation of the WT response (which is in dutch). I have tried to translate as accurate as possible. If anyone thinks that the translation is not accurate enough, please send me an E-mail.
excerpt
WACHTTOREN Postbank 183765
BIJBEL- EN TRAKTAATGENOOTSCHAP ING Bank 66.43.24.533NOORDBARGERSTRAAT 77 7812 AA EMMEN NEDERLAND
TELEFOON (0591) 68 35 55SCA 8 november 2001
Mr. A. van Engers
Holtackers 42
7824 LB EmrnenBeloved brother Van Engers,
Your 5 November letter, with enclosure is in our possession. Because we could not make up out of your letter how we should address you in our answer, we have for the good order informed the elders of congregation Emmen-Angelslo to ask if they know you.
We have now understood that, though you are momentarily not actively connected to the local congregation, you are in fact a baptized Witness---therefore the above opening words.We don’t know if you may already have done inquiries in the congregation, about the in your letter named matter, and therefore we are sending the responsible elders a copy of our answer, so that they in any way are informed.
Your question came down to this if the Society during a certain period has been a member of the United Nations and how that can be viewed in the light of what has been published in our reading matter about that organization (for instance in chapter 34 of the Revelation-book). We would like to give the following reaction.
In "De Wachttoren" of October 1 1995 was on page 7 a paragraph titled "The Christian view on the United Nations". Inthere was said that Jehovah’s Witnesses view the UN just as they view other governments in the world, namely as a "superior authority".---Romans 13:1
There cannot be said "that the Society was a member of the UN". Though the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York has during a certain period been registerd at the UN as an NGO (‘non-governmental organization’). What formed for that the reason, and why is that now not anymore the case?
The purpose of being registered at named corporation with the ‘Department of Public Information’as a ‘non governmental organization’in 1991 was to have access to available research-material about health, ecology, and social problems at the library-facilities of the United Nations. The library was during many years before 1991 used, but in that year it became necessary to register as an NGO in order to continue the entry. The registrationpapers that were submitted to the United Nations and that the Society has in her archives, contain no declarations which are in conflict with our christian beliefs. On top of that are NGO’s informed that "association of NGO’s with the DPI doesn’t make that they are taken in to the system of the United Nations, nor does it
SXA 8 november 2001
Page 2give connected organizations or their staff any right or any sort of privilege or any exemption or special status".¹ Nevertheless contain the Criteria of Alliance of NGO’s ----at least in their latest version ---- terms which we cannot underwrite. When the Society realized this, the registration was immediately withdrawn. They were thankful that the matter was brought to their attention.
We trust it to have been of service to you with this information and send you our cordial greetings and wishes for Jehovah’s blessing,
your brothers,
WachttorenB.&T.Genootschap
C: body of elders,
congregation Emmen-Angelso
______________________¹ The English version of this citation is: "Association of NGOs with the DPI does not constitute their
incorporation into the United Nations system, nor does it entitle associated organizations or their staff to any kind of privileges, immunities or special status~"
end of excerptThis raises more questions. first of all they did not answer my question. I asked how it was posible that they could associate with the wild beast and at the same time tell the brothers and sisters you cannot associate with it. They admitted in this letter that they have had association. If I would associate myself then I would be disfellowshipped. secondly. they say they have copies of the application in their archives. I would like to see them. Third: They say that when they found out they could no longer underwrite the Criteria of Alliance then they withdrew themselves. Can anyone tell me what those changes were.
fourth. (I will quit here, because I have many more questions) They say they didn't know they were wrong until someone made it clear to them. They admitted they were wrong. They didn't look to Jehovah for help but turned to the wild beast. And it took birdseed to show them the error of their ways. There are 2 possibilities: They are lying or they're very stupid. If they're lying then they cannot be God's servants, thus unable to lead the people into the new world. If they're stupid, which I don't think they are then they are incapable of leadership. So they weren't a member. They just associated with the wild beast. Tonight I shall go to the local whorehouse to associate with the whores. That doesn't make me a member. Baffling isn't even the word anymore to describe it.