Posts by DireStraitJacket

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I think I finally figured out the blood doctrine....I think

by undercover in

this whole blood doctrine thing has got me so confused, but i think i've got it narrowed down to this:.

the wts is trying to get away from the blood doctrine or at least make it less of a doctrinal point than it has been over the years.

the wts now allows fractions, which, if i understand correctly, modern medicine uses fractions more than whole blood anyway.

DireStraitJacket

my mother got back from that watchtower study and she mentioned how they were now allowed to take blood fractions. She said that blood fractions were only really used in stuff like snake bite antidotes, and it wasn't really important.. I immediately brought up that numerous witnesses must have died over the years due to not being allowed to have said antidotes, isn't this a waste of life something Jehovah views as precious?
She said that she was sure those people would all be resurected, so it didn't matter to much. I brought up the pain of those peoples family but she stopped listening to me...
She also said that if she needed blood she would NEVER take it in any form.. I suggested that might be a bit selfish towards the family members incl. me, she said she was just obeying Jehovah.
That is where I walked off trying to stop myself from screaming out how brain washed she was..

anyway, can someone clarify how important blood fractions are, or how widely they are used?
It seems the average dub hasn't noticed much of a change..

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I could REALLY use some help right now....

by babygrl4903 in

hey all,.

ok...i know for a fact that you have all probably heard this before but i am new here so i don't really know all the topics that have been discussed.

so, at the risk of repeating past topics.....here i go.... i am 16 years old and have a boyfriend who is a jw.

DireStraitJacket

It is crappy situation that you find yourself in.
Try making a list of all the reasons that you have for not wanting to join and show them to him. Maybe he can see for himself what is wrong with the religion.
Try help him to understand that as much as you love him, you do not want to enslave yourself to a cult with ridiculous rules.
This isn't going to be easy, there are many people on this board that have not left the organisation because of the effect it will have on their relationships with family members and friends.

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I could REALLY use some help right now....

by babygrl4903 in

hey all,.

ok...i know for a fact that you have all probably heard this before but i am new here so i don't really know all the topics that have been discussed.

so, at the risk of repeating past topics.....here i go.... i am 16 years old and have a boyfriend who is a jw.

DireStraitJacket

Welcome to the board

try viewing some of the stuff about Jehovah's Witnesses on these sites
Actual Quotes From Watchtower Publications
Why they are a CULT
Silentlambs.org

also there are a lot of people on this site who have had very bad experiences involving
the Society. Look around there is plenty of info that you can see

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NWT now on Watchtower web site

by DevonMcBride in

jw
friends

http://www.watchtower.org/library/rbi8/

i'm not sure if this has been posted or not and if this is something new.

i've never seen the nwt on their web site before.. devon.

DireStraitJacket

omg!! have you seen some of the other crap on that site..

people, tattoos "are often the visible sign that a man . . . belongs
to a violent, brutal, antisocial, and criminalized subculture."

and those pictures..
bwahahaha

6

MONEY!

by in a new york bethel minute in

i dont know if this has been discussed in forum before... but i have heard that in some places, the society still asks for money for their "life-saving products.

" two countries in particular have been pointed as being pay-per-mag operated.

australia and (of all places) africa.

DireStraitJacket

dude africa isn't a country...
In South Africa they switched to the donation system around 3-4 years ago.. I havn't a clue about
the rest of the continent

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Walk with God: My Notes SUNDAY

by ezekiel3 in

for more comments see http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/75897/1.ashx

walk with god 2004 dc sunday

10:00 guard against abandoning the straight path

DireStraitJacket

>>>We should not make decisions. Let God. We are not robots, should use ?power of reason?

And accept absolutely everything written by the society without question? If you have
doubts read it over and over until you no longer have doubts... 'power of reason' my ass

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Belief - a key to Spiritual experience

by LittleToe in

setting aside dogma, taking the comments of augustine to a deeper level ("unity in what is essential.

freedom in what is not essential.

charity in everything"), i'd like to share an observation.. i don't know if i can articulate it properly, and i know it'll open me up for some abuse, but so be it.

DireStraitJacket

>By earnestly, sincerely and gently moving attention from the minds interpretation of life and all it's past and future, >beliefs and judgments, good and evil, mumblings and commentary, and instead silently offering conscious awareness to this >present moment. Look deeper into what is it to be alive. Look deep into the raw senses of BEING (without the dark lenses of >mental conceptualizing and story telling). Be present. Be open. Allow Truth to reveal Itself.

you're saying we should relinquish everything we have been taught, break down all the boundaries we have built up around ourselves and find our 'inner being'?
I agree this would be an exceptional place to be in mentally but equally hard to get there.
How long did it take you to achieve this viewpoint?

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I never knew

by Bubbamar in

i recently bought a bible after not having one or cracking one open for 18 years.

it's amazing how different it is now.

i thought it was all mumbo jumbo contradictions and insane ramblings.

DireStraitJacket

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The Goodness Of Beer

by DireStraitJacket in

"sometimes when i reflect back on all the beer i drink i feel shamed.

then i look into the glass and think about the workers in the brewery and all of their hopes and dreams.

if i didn't drink this beer, they might be out of work and their dreams would be shattered.

DireStraitJacket

"Sometimes when I reflect back on all the beer I drink I feel shamed. Then I look into the glass and think about the workers in the brewery and all of their hopes and dreams. If I didn't drink this beer, they might be out of work and their dreams would be shattered. Then I say to myself, "It is better that I drink this beer and let their dreams come true than be selfish and worry about my liver."
~ Jack Handy
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"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day. "
~Frank Sinatra
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"When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading."
~ Henny Youngman
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"24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence? I think not."
~ Stephen Wright
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"When we drink, we get drunk. When we get drunk, we fall asleep. When we fall asleep, we commit no sin. When we commit no sin, we go to heaven. Sooooo, let's all get drunk and go to heaven!"
~ Brian O'Rourke
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"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
~ Benjamin Franklin
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"Without question, the greatest invention in the history of mankind is beer. Oh, I grant you that the wheel was also a fine invention, but the wheel does not go nearly as well with pizza."
~ Dave Barry
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BEER: HELPING UGLY PEOPLE HAVE SEX SINCE 3000 B.C.!!!
~ "Unknown"
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Remember "I" before "E", except in Budweiser.
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To some it's a six-pack, to me it's a Support Group. Salvation in a can!
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And saving the best for last, as explained by Cliff Clavin, of Cheers. One afternoon at Cheers, Cliff Clavin was explaining the Buffalo Theory to his buddy Norm. Here's how it went:
"Well ya see, Norm, it's like this... A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the ! whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers."

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Interesting phenomena regarding Witnesses

by JamesThomas in

jw
friends

first, and most important: thanks to all those who read my introduction-post last saturday, and especial thanks to those who replied.

like many who have been disfellowshipped (and especially those raised in the org) i've been dragged through icy waves of agonizing hurt and anger; often followed by times of peace and letting go; only to be hit by another turbulent and bitter bout of animosity and grief.

the tides do run deep, don't they.

DireStraitJacket

bttt

some excellent points brought out here